That definition does help Nutty. I guess I still don't see how strong a presence that was or is in Boxed Set.

It was about changing the flavor, the tenor, the use of Boxed Set.

But still, I don't see how moving one show will do that.

Which a majority of people seem to want, so perhaps it's time to let it go, or move it elsewhere, bow to the majority.

I never said I wanted to change the flavor etc of Boxed Set, and I haven't heard anyone else say that either.

Again, an evolving board culture thing, and it appears to be a facet that's no longer valued nor wanted. Time to let it go, here, and find it or take it elsewhere.

How did we get from "SPN seems to be overflowing Boxed Set; perhaps it needs its own thread" to "Media-fandom is no longer wanted here"?

I appreciate Nutty's bullet-points definition. It seems that I'm a little bit media-fannish, about some shows. I find intense media-fandomishness a bit wearying, both to do and to watch, but that's my own preference. I don't see how media-fandomness or anyone's feelings about have anything to do with SPN getting its own thread or not.

Mediafannish people have been Buffistas since we started calling ourselves the Buffistas -- we've always been here. That means a lot of little Buffista details are very similar to, or at least ballpark close to, media fannish details, since osmosis is bound to occur. But Buffista != media fandom, and vice versa. It's -- hey, Plei!! -- it's a Venn Diagram.

It is! Hey!

Your explanation helps me a lot, Nutty. And I think I agree that while there is a lot of that in Boxed Set, it's not the only flavor.

It's not, which is one of the problems predicted by Sean back in the thread DX linked to from the BS creation.

I don't see how media-fandomness or anyone's feelings about have anything to do with SPN getting its own thread or not.

Media fandom, at least in its current evolution, is often about multi-fannish space. It's a lot less common to be a mono-fan than it once was, and with the majority of fannish discussion and fic-posting taking place on LJ these days, people are used to cross-polination. Putting SPN into its own thread will change that.

(I still don't know how I feel about the proposal, except that I want everyone to be happy. Happy!)

The more I think about it the more I suspect that Lee may be onto something with her fear that removing Supernatural from Boxed Set might screw with where media fannish discussion goes. Media fandom goes where the discussion is. While all the discussion is on Supernatural, the media fannish people will probably all go a Supernatural thread. The question is, will they go there while staying in Boxed Set, or will they leave Boxed Set behind? And either way, what will discussion do? We currently sustain media fannish discussion in both Fanfic and Boxed Set threads, so it's entirely possible to work cross-thread. But, there are two outcomes I would very much like to avoid:

A. Media fannish people leave Boxed Set for Supernatural/MF thread. Boxed Set talks about Show X. Supernatural thread talks about Show X. Two completely segregated discussions of Show X ensue.
B. Media fannish people stay in Boxed Set. Boxed Set talks about Show X. Supernatural thread talks about Show X. Two parallel and only partly-overlapping discussions of Show X ensue, leading to confusion and potential hurt feelings and misunderstandings.

The nature of media fandom is that it will be textually labile. If the Supernatural thread is media fannish -- and I think at present it will be -- then I guarantee that some topic-drift will occur there. How to legislate a situation where neither A nor B occurs?

ETA: I think I'm describing what Dana is describing, only I am saying it inside-out.

It's not, which is one of the problems predicted by Sean back in the thread DX linked to from the BS creation.

The thing is, the combination has mostly worked up until the last few months. It is the volume of talk, not so much the tenor.

I'll be over here with the rest of the mundanes.

That was way too snippy. I apologize.

My question is this: how is the discussion of SPN any different from the discussions about baseball that take over other threads? In my eyes they're the same sort of thing: something that a group of people like to burble enthusiastically about at each other, and that other people just scroll on by. If SPN does end up with a separate thread, does that mean that the next time swarms of baseball talk starts up, I should suggest to the baseball fans that maybe they should have their own thread?

If my question came off as snarky, that wasn't my intent. It's just ... it's the same sort of question to me.

how is the discussion of SPN any different from the discussions about baseball that take over other threads?

I would think it's because of the sustained and prolonged nature of the discussions. The Oscars can take over Natter, but the discussion happens once a year and is over in a night.

It's a lot less common to be a mono-fan than it once was, and with the majority of fannish discussion and fic-posting taking place on LJ these days, people are used to cross-polination. Putting SPN into its own thread will change that.

There's another possibility: That the high volume of SPN posts is actually hurting cross-pollination because discussion of other shows is getting drowned out by the SPN squee. Give SPN its own thread, and discussion of these other shows (including the seemingly large number of genre shows debuting this fall) might have more room to cross-pollinate and flourish.

Thanks, DX.

Nutty is so much more articluate than I. I'ma point and nod, okay?