And to complicate things, Torchwood does not currently air in the U.S. And the new season of Dr. Who that's about to premiere is premiering in the UK, and who knows if/when it'll show up on Sci-Fi.

Honestly, without trying to sound snarky, I can't believe we're not just talking about having a general TV thread, we're talking about having several.

Personally, if given the choice between adding a Heroes thread and instead developing some kind of TV taxonomy for multiple threads, I say one narrow thread rather than several unwieldy ones with unnatural limitations.

I don't know - there definitely seems to be a good argument for a Sci-Fi Channel thread, at the very least. Or Genre-Basic Cable if you want to focus on Dr. Who running on BBC America or something. But those shows do seem to go together in a way that would provide useful cross-pollination.

I actually think the other groups kind of work too. I'm thinking about other shows which have had heavy discussion and most of them would slot in one of these categories: Due South in NonGenre, Farscape in Sci-Fi, Alias in Genre Broadcast (I'm counting it as a fantasy - maybe I shouldn't....But it ain't Spooks!)

I can't believe we're not just talking about having a general TV thread, we're talking about having several.

Well, I don't think a general TV thread would work. I think these could work. Premium works. Boxed Set used to work pretty well.

But I'm trying to think all Big Picture, and this might ultimately just come back around to having a Heroes thread.

Or Genre-Basic Cable if you want to focus on Dr. Who running on BBC America or something. But those shows do seem to go together in a way that would provide useful cross-pollination.

They do, though BBC America is not basic cable for most of us.

Due South in NonGenre, Farscape in Sci-Fi, Alias in Genre Broadcast (I'm counting it as a fantasy - maybe I shouldn't....But it ain't Spooks!)

due South is enough of a genre show to fit in the Boxed Set discussion parameters (magical realism, ghosts, mysterious snow, pretty much all of seasons 3-4). Whereas Alias was never discussed in Boxed Set.

I know it seems like I'm following you around to make piddling objections to your taxonomy, but a lot of this has been discussed in the thread before, so I'm trying to help. Also, discussions about TV make me tingly.

Good tingly?

Definitely. I could have the due South discussion every week.

I was about to ask whether it was good tingly!!

...that is not as dirty as it sounds.

I wonder if the grouping thing works for Premium, but not (to my eyes) for everything else, because Premium is a "you got it or you don't" type of situation. There aren't that many premium channels; they don't do that much original programming; you've got built-in limits while still providing a variety of shows. Also, the premium channels do not tend to pick up shows from other countries and air them, but produce their own from scratch.

We're kind of in a crazy flux with TV programming, is part of the issue, and the unresolved nature of television sourcing may ultimately confound the question of grouping. Half of SGA is watching it via ahem right now, since it has already aired in Britain, while the other half of the audience is waiting for it to air in the US (on Sci Fi) -- and Boxed Set has developed up a solution for that as we go (whitefont). We had the same problem with the Unaired Firely Episodes, and had to kludge together a last-minute fix for that. If we're going to rework how TV discussion happens, we've actually got a lot to rework. In the absence of overt reworking, we've found solutions on the small scale; it's the big scale that gets problematic.

Everything got all meta and now I'm dizzy.

Reasons for wanting a Heroes thread:

• It's not mediafannish like the other Boxed Set shows
• It overwhelms the thread for people who don't watch it
• There are spoiler issues for people who're up to speed on that and not the other BS shows
• The discussion is hampered by being in BS

Now, I'm not sure all of those have actually been posited, and I'm not claiming it's complete. But I've really lost track with all these restreaming ideas flitting back and forth. I want to get back to the start of the issue.

The discussion is hampered by being in BS

My eyes completely skipped over "in".