I guess I kinda feel that we're trying to close the gate after the horse has left the barn. I kinda feel that this got moved into proposal and voting territory way too quickly. This could have been a b'cacy discussion for a few days. Instead we lept very quickly into a proposal and it's bringing these voting issues up. We've had many discussion where issues have been somewhat resolved that never end up here in light bulbs, and I guess I'm just kinda surprised that this one ended up here.

Way up above I said this:

I am fine with (a) taking no Official Action against multiple log-ins in general; (b) strongly encouraging people who create jokey sock puppets to identify themselves in the profile of said sock puppet; and (c) generally discouraging the use of same. Then we just keep on keeping on with people not being assholes.

I think the "strongly encouraging" and "generally discouraging" parts need to be in writing, and I think we should vote on it.

I don't think there is a consensus (since if there is one, I can't tell what it is), and I'd like to know what everyone thinks.

See, I don't want the term Sock Puppets in there anywhere. If we are going to add the verbage I just want to have it very matter of fact and dealing with users that maintain multiple logins.

I agree with ND.

Oh sure, I agree with that -- I wasn't trying to draft anything, just confirming that I still agree with myself from yesterday.

Hm. I agree with ND that it went too quickly into LB. Is there any way to move something back to B'crazy after it's been in LB? (I mean, is there a precedent.) Maybe Betsy could withdraw her proposal, we go back to B'crazy and hash it out for a few hundred more posts (I'm serious, not being snarky) and then come back to LB if that was what we decided?

Also, just wanted to say that I still heart Buffistas big time. Reading these proposal/voting/admin-type discussions is fascinating to me (ok, maybe I'm just a wonk) and I love how everyone states their points eloquently and then someone comes in and breaks it up with a joke just when things get a little too het up.

So in that vein, I humbly offer:

So, like, just for the sake of clarity, it's worthwhile to add something to Etiquette/Rules (right next to the citation of "please don't sign up as Josh Whedon that's stupid" and "please don't sign up as Fuckface that's juvenile").

Sooo tempted to make a cockpuppet named Fuckface.

Finally, love how apropos my tagline is.

For posterity:

How many bulls does it take to shit a consensus? - aurelia

Well, I know at least one person who could sign up as Fuckface. But he wouldn't.

Hm. I agree with ND that it went too quickly into LB. Is there any way to move something back to B'crazy after it's been in LB? (I mean, is there a precedent.) Maybe Betsy could withdraw her proposal, we go back to B'crazy and hash it out for a few hundred more posts (I'm serious, not being snarky) and then come back to LB if that was what we decided?

Personally, I don't see the value of debating the issue in Bureaucracy for a few days and then bringing it here. Here at least there is a goal to the discussion. Not to mention a time limit.

But for some of us we don't think that the vote is a suitable goal for this, and it's been a big shadow over top of it during the whole discussion.

As Robin said upthread-- the vote is not so that we can be Congress and have all sorts of Bureacrazy... it is really a poll so that we can see how everyone feels. The problem with being a multi-timezone board with users who frequent the board in varying rates is that it is hard to tell whether a consensus has been reached or whether it is just a consensus of those people who have a) had the stamina to make it through the discussion and/or b) happen to be on the board all the time. It is not so much different than consensus as a way to see what the consensus really is. Otherwise someone (and who that someone is I do not knoow, because we do not have a moderator or owner) has to decide what that consensus is. And I think that puts to big a responsibility on the shoulders of ita adn Jon, who will be making the changes, if any, we the Buffistas, deem necessary.

I say-- don't think of this a a presidential election, but more a "where do we want to order takeout from" kind of thing.