like I said, I think you should be accomodated in the Slut thread

And they say I should be accomodated in yours. I get that.

Or in your own thread.

I don't need room enough for that.

other than you and Lisah, I haven't heard anyone else saying they need or want a Sometime Slut accomodation

Gus mentioned it too.

But I'm not counting thread participators from this discussion. Judging by who's spoken up, there are only three or four spoiler flirts anyway.

That's what the vote is for. I'm very anti a poll. What purpose does it serve that a vote won't?

Amended ballot:

Item 1: When Spoilers 3: First Mutant Enemy, Now the World was opened, it was done so, with the understanding that the white font rules for it, and its successors, would be decided later. Proposed--the rules should be as follows:

All hardcore spoilage, all the time. No white font.

(choose one)
____ Yes
____ No
____ No Preference

_________________________________________

Item 2: Proposed--We open a second spoiler thread, to accommodate those who EITHER want to discuss some spoilers, but not others, OR do not want to discuss hardcore spoilers. The focus and content of the second thread may or may not be decided with this vote, please indicate your support for a second spoiler thread:

____ Yes
____ No
____ No Preference

_________________________________________

Item 3: Proposed?If a second thread is created, the second spoiler thread should either be a Spoilers Lite thread or White font thread (see descriptions below):

(Choose ONE type)

a) Traditional Spoilers Lite Thread: Guest stars, episode titles, writers, and preview speculation in black font. Exiting cast, TV Guide and other entertainment articles and their discussion white-fonted. Hard core spoilers are not allowed.

b) All White Font+Good Labels: All actual content must be in white font. Each item in a post must be labeled (in black font) with show name, and spoiler type (e.g. ?Lost ? new guest star!?). Suggested spoiler types are: Plot Spoilers, Casting Spoilers, Ep Title, Writers, Preview Speculation, Articles. Hard core spoilers are allowed, but white fonted as with anything else.

c) Neither, I want another option or more discussion.

d) No Preference.

I guess I'm personally disturbed that there are two options for sharing Lite, and none for sharing the already existing spoiler thread.

? Where, Wolfram?

I guess I'm personally disturbed that there are two options for sharing Lite, and none for sharing the already existing spoiler thread.

Where, Wolfram?

Cindy, in your proposed ballot there were two suggestions for sharing the Lite thread - whitefont/labeling and mixed bag. I notice that LeN took out the mixed bag suggestion, but there's still no suggestion to share the existing hard core spoiler thread other than a No vote on the No whitefont rule in Spoilers, which is a very slanted way of voting on that issue. I'd suggest a ballot that ran the idea of sharing a Lite thread against the idea of sharing the hard core spoiler thread. For example:

Item 1: Traditional Spoilers Lite Thread: A general thread to discuss spoilers that are considered Lite, i.e. casting, titles, TV guide and similar entertainment articles etc.

(choose one)
____ Yes
____ No
____ No Preference

Item 2: Proposed--We accommodate those who want to discuss some spoilers, but not others:

____ in a Spoiler Lite thread (if opened)
____ in the hard core Spoiler thread
____ in their own whitefont thread
____ in no thread
____ No Preference

I think the reason it's been worded as it has is because there have been quite a few full on spoiler people who want no whitefont, fewer spoiler lite people speaking up, and the fact that LeNubian is a full-on spoiler person, and is proposing what will make the proposer happiest, while also trying to accomodate other people, which is very cool, really, and one of the things I like best about us (though it sometimes seems to cause the biggest problems), that we try to take care of everyone.

I think, if the all-white font thread with heavier, albeit whitefont, spoils passes, it will end up with a different community and the people who lost the lite thread will still be without a thread. That doesn't mean it won't serve more people, just different ones.

Here's the thing...the spoiler thread currently is white fonted with labels. So if the majority vote is no for item 1....the thread will stay as is.

Wolfram,

I took out the mixed bag suggestion precisely because I heard people say they didn't want hardcore spoilers in Lite.

Do you want me to take out the white font option altogether? The spoiler people feel VERY strongly that no white font should be in hardcore spoilers.

If the Lite Spoiler people feel very strongly that no white font should be in Lite, I don't have a problem reflecting that in the poll and removing shit. I don't think your proposed change works well for the original reasons I brought this issue up.

Can we add that as an option, just to make it more explicit?

A: Hard-core, no whitefont, read at your own risk

B: As is (whatever that is - I'm not really clear on that.)

le nubian, just so you know, two people have expressed complete objection to mixing types of spoilers (Wolfram & Jon, like in an all white font, or mixed bag) thread. A third objected to the mixing it all in white font, but liked what brenda proposed (that was Deena, and I then just dubbed it 'mixed bag' to set it apart, but it was brenda's idea). Other people also posted in a way that indicated they'd like a mixed bag thread. An awful lot of people won't join in the discussion, here, at all, and will only speak with their votes. It's your ballot and your call, but I'd put mixed bag back on the ballot. If most Buffistas feel like Wolfram, "lite" will win, and the other kinds of threads will be a non-issue, anyhow.

I think, if the all-white font thread with heavier, albeit whitefont, spoils passes, it will end up with a different community and the people who lost the lite thread will still be without a thread. That doesn't mean it won't serve more people, just different ones.

This is exactly my issue. And why I suggested previously to take the word Lite out of the title, so that we people without a Lite thread don't get moratoriumed or stuck with a thread none of us end up using. And also why I suggested previously that Cindy add a spoiler whitefont only option without the sharing of the Lite thread.

I just can't say stuff half as well as Deena.

I took out the mixed bag suggestion precisely because I heard people say they didn't want hardcore spoilers in Lite.

Ah, I see what you did there. Thanks.

But I think there should be separate votes on a Lite thread and a whitefont thread rather than making them either one or the other. It's almost like voting for either a Lost thread or an O.C. thread.