I think, if the all-white font thread with heavier, albeit whitefont, spoils passes, it will end up with a different community and the people who lost the lite thread will still be without a thread. That doesn't mean it won't serve more people, just different ones.

This is exactly my issue. And why I suggested previously to take the word Lite out of the title, so that we people without a Lite thread don't get moratoriumed or stuck with a thread none of us end up using. And also why I suggested previously that Cindy add a spoiler whitefont only option without the sharing of the Lite thread.

I just can't say stuff half as well as Deena.

I took out the mixed bag suggestion precisely because I heard people say they didn't want hardcore spoilers in Lite.

Ah, I see what you did there. Thanks.

But I think there should be separate votes on a Lite thread and a whitefont thread rather than making them either one or the other. It's almost like voting for either a Lost thread or an O.C. thread.

Other people also posted in a way that indicated they'd like a mixed bag thread.

Cindy, I saw a lot of folks who said they thought a mixed bag thread sounded like a nice compromise for the people who wanted a lite thread and the people who wanted a whitefont thread. And heck if I had no dog in this race, I'd vote for the thing that I thought satisfied the most folks (like a mixed bag thread.) But honestly, I didn't see a lot of folks all that enthusiastic about actually using a mixed-bag thread. I think we have a lot of good-hearted folks who'd rather compromise than get what they'd really want, or more importantly, really use.

If most Buffistas feel like Wolfram, "lite" will win, and the other kinds of threads will be a non-issue, anyhow.

Cindy, most Buffistas will read the ballot and try and determine what's fairest to the most amount of people (which is how it should be.) Since many of them won't have read the discussions, it's important that the items presented in the ballot accurately reflect what people actually want and are going to use.

This is exactly my issue. And why I suggested previously to take the word Lite out of the title, so that we people without a Lite thread don't get moratoriumed or stuck with a thread none of us end up using. And also why I suggested previously that Cindy add a spoiler whitefont only option without the sharing of the Lite thread.

"Lite" is only in for the actual lite thread. 2A IS a lite thread, traditional, taken from Deena's definition, as you copied and pasted it, for me.

As for your other suggestion with white font with labels, I saw no call for it, from people who would use it, Wolfram. You and Jon were both on record as saying you wouldn't use anything other than a traditional lite thread (which is already one part of the proposal).

As for your other suggestion with white font with labels, I saw no call for it, from people who would use it, Wolfram.

Now I'm confused. Isn't the whole purpose of the whitefont with labels for people, like ita and Lisah, who want to be spoiled for some shows and spoiler free for others?

Wolfram, I have no problem with you making sure the kind of thread you'd like to see (lite) is on this ballot. And it is on the ballot. I am going to be extremely blunt here. Now it seems like you're trying to remove any other thread that might beat it out. I'm not playing this game.

rather compromise than get what they'd really want, or more importantly, really use.

I liked Brenda's suggestion because it is a compromise. I'd try to use it. First time I got spoiled for something that I didn't want to know, though, I wouldn't use it again. That's not to say someone else wouldn't use it, or two someones, and as long as it serves the most people, I'm fine with it.

As it stands, I honestly don't know what to vote for, or if I'll just vote no preference all across the board and let people who previously used the lite thread more than I did, or who would really like or dislike a mixed bag thread make the choice.

I don't think Wolfram is trying to remove all competition, I think he's saying the ballot, as it was previously written, seemed slanted toward a particular outcome.

Okay, I'm still inclined to go with the amended ballot here:

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But I am going to do some slight wording changes (e.g. a "should" needs to be a "would").

Whatever is decided, I won't be able to get a ballot up until sometime tomorrow. I'm heading out in a few minutes and will be far away from my computer until late tonight (at which point I plan to go straight to bed).

I don't think Wolfram is trying to remove all competition, I think he's saying the ballot, as it was previously written, seemed slanted toward a particular outcome.

Cindy, this is exactly what I'm saying. But I recognize that it's getting tiresome, so I'm done.

I haven't heard anyone else saying they need or want a Sometime Slut accomodation.

I'm one of the Sometime Sluts (or, SomeShows Slut, I guess), I just haven't weighed in .. figured I'd see just be quiet and vote. Actually, I didn't think my preference would end up on the ballot. Go figure.

My preferences are basically the same as ita and lisah's, I guess, so I won't be long with explanations. But, I don't do the hardcore no-whitefont thread because there are things in there my eyes don't want to see. I would totally use a thread where I could pick and choose what to reveal and would love it if that included the option for hardcore spoilage.

Having said that, I think I see your point, Wolfram. There seems to be consensus for two (but no more than that) general spoiler threads. One of those slots is occupied by hardcore already - the types of spoilers aren't up for debate (because anything goes), just whether they'll be whitefonted. The second spoiler thread used to be Lite. But rather than just a straight up or down vote on reinstatement of Lite, there's now a hybrid on the scene vying for the slot.

(I actually don't think that's a bad thing, but I can see where it would grate if I had been a regular denizen of a thread that was up for reinstatement and morphing all in one shot ... when I thought it really should just be up for reinstatement, no competition from a hybrid).

Or, I'm completely misinterpreting, in which case, as usual, just ignore.

so I'm done

I have such the timing, don't I?