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Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Topic!Cindy - Oct 27, 2004 3:18:25 pm PDT #4910 of 10289
What is even happening?

Hardcore for Lost, another for whitefont any depth,

But some of the regular spoiler citizens, the hardcore people, would be very unhappy. They want to be free. All spoils, all the time. That's what amych, Jess, and Plei are saying. I'm pretty sure that's what Hec said he wanted, too (Hec, correct me if I'm wrong), and honestly, I prefer the hardcore, too.

I couldn't vote against my fellow Buffy and Angel spoiler thread alums on a spoiler proposal.


Aims - Oct 27, 2004 3:26:36 pm PDT #4911 of 10289
Shit's all sorts of different now.

Hey -- does anyone know, easily, what the proposal leaderboard looks like? Anyone made more than one? Two?

I know I learned my lesson after one.

Ditto.


§ ita § - Oct 27, 2004 4:09:47 pm PDT #4912 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

One day I'll make a proposal. That should be fun.

eta:

I couldn't vote against my fellow Buffy and Angel spoiler thread alums on a spoiler proposal.

This is what I meant about recreating the past, BTW. Just elucidating, not bitching.


amych - Oct 27, 2004 4:11:09 pm PDT #4913 of 10289
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

t considers pointing out that ita has strange notion of fun

t considers ita's hobbies

t realizes that ita probably already knows this.


candyb - Oct 27, 2004 4:11:41 pm PDT #4914 of 10289

And for all-spoils-all-the-time-no-whitefont lovers, it's Lost or nothing? Not my cup of tea, thanks.

Not mine either. This would be worse than having a whitefont only hardcore thread.


brenda m - Oct 27, 2004 4:16:56 pm PDT #4915 of 10289
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

(other than Gus and ita, I swear they weren't the only ones who liked the Spoilers 3 thread the way it currently is, but I can't remember whom).

Frankly, if I'd known it was the way it apparently currently is, I might've been in there. I assumed it was the old hard core style.

To slightly amend Cindy's suggestion, would this be workable?

Thread 1) No white font, hardcore spoilage. Open discussion, like we used to have in the Buffy & Angel Spoiler thread.

Thread 2) Traditional (as I currently seem to understand it) Lite content is fair game. This means: Ep titles, writers, casting changes, possibly TV-guide type ep summaries. All else is white font, all white font labeled as to both show, and type of content.


DavidS - Oct 27, 2004 4:33:55 pm PDT #4916 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I think Cindy's suggestion has the greatest utility with the greatest ease of use. There is no solution which satisfies all the preferences on the table until we get unlimited threads and have spoiler and spoiler lite for every show we watch.

I still don't understand who would be unhappy with this, and why

1) All hardcore, all the time

2) All white font, with labels as to content, all the time.

Le Nubian, I think you should just phrase it like this with two votes. The first one merely defines the current spoiler thread as hardcore spoilers, no white font, viewer beware on entry. Then a second vote suggesting a new thread which would be white fonted with labels. This would actually be different than Spoilers Lite as we knew it, but would serve the most people (I think). I don't think we can satisfy Gus or ita's needs without more individual threads.

I'm pretty sure that's what Hec said he wanted, too (Hec, correct me if I'm wrong), and honestly, I prefer the hardcore, too.

That's right. Can I correct you on other things too? Your hair needs a trim.


amych - Oct 27, 2004 4:39:03 pm PDT #4917 of 10289
Now let us crush something soft and watch it fountain blood. That is a girlish thing to want to do, yes?

If there's a stink of nostalgia around these discussions (and I'm the first twelfth to admit there is) I suspect it's because both Spoilers and Lite have been badly missed.

I can't comment on the old Lite discussions, because that thread was never a home for me. In fact, I voted to get rid of it because I thought it was pretty pointless whenever I did drop in, and, being sometimes incredibly thick about reading other people, I was genuinely shocked when people were so upset that it was gone. (Sorry about that.) If we're talking about having some kind of lite thread again, those people are the ones I'm going to listen to about what constitutes a reasonable way to shape that thread. Not out of nostalgia, but because they made what I thought to be an impossible compromise thread work before. (I'm still not gonna hang there. Nothing personal.)

I've already blathered about my thoughts on the question of whitefont in the hardcore thread, both here and in the spoiler thread. For anyone who hasn't dared to venture over there, I'll just restate

the spoiler zone has always been the place to read and write unrestricted, without extra coding, shit to click on, and (absolutely most importantly of all) having to worry all the time about "am I allowed to say that in this particular thread before the third Tuesday after the full moon". It's about being able to put your feet up on the coffee table after the in-laws leave, not about whether [we have to highlight a whitefont].
Spoilers are the meat we've been missing since Angel ended, but the greater value is the feel of the discussion. And that's what I'll vote for.


Deena - Oct 27, 2004 4:40:02 pm PDT #4918 of 10289
How are you me? You need to stop that. Only I can be me. ~Kara

Deena, if you are a person who wants lite, but not what I'm saying in number 2, could you please explain it to me

Cindy, I'm sorry. It was entirely clear in my mind. Duh. Like Wolfram, I don't want to be spoiled for plot points, but for me, it's not an inadvertent spoil. I'd see the bits of conversation going on and I'd try to look at the stuff that seemed to be on the fringes, and before you know it, I'd know the whole season. I never thought being spoiled or not would matter to me, but I discovered during the last season of Angel that I just enjoyed the show less if I knew what was coming. I just have no self-control if it's right there in front of me.

I'd be okay with Brenda's #2.


le nubian - Oct 27, 2004 4:51:05 pm PDT #4919 of 10289
"And to be clear, I am the hell. And the high water."

Okay folks, I understand that a Lost or nothing thread has no appeal. That's clearly off the table.

So, it sounds to me like the choices will be two threads: one white-font, one no holds barred.