JMO, and I'm not a participant in either right now, but there are imminent movie/DVD releases that justify them for me. The shows are only mostly dead.

Wonderfalls doesn't have its own thread; it's part of Minearverse. Which is still open b/c of his upcoming movie, yes? (I don't know, b/c I'm not subbed to that thread.)

Firefly isn't closed b/c of the movie, I thought. (Also not subbed to that thread.)

Wonderfalls and Firefly are both canceled shows that have threads. What is the reasoning behind not including them as closeable on the ballot?

Well Wonderfalls still has a number of episodes that haven't aired so until the DVD comes out there's spoilers for that. And Firefly isn't cancelled, it's a huge moneymaking series of movies. I think they're going to make like 10 of them.

I think the Minearverse thread, while being a de facto WF discussion thread while the show was on, was originally proposed to be a forum in which to discuss All Things Minear (including the Heinlein movie and whatever else Tim may be up to next.) Plus, isn't the DVD set for WF supposed to come out in a few months?

As for Firefly, I think it's earned its stripes alongside BtVS and Angel as one of the Buffistas core show despite its short life. I don't know about FF Spoiler thread though since I don't go in there. I imagine it has spoilers for Serenity and will be more active as we go near the movie release date.

And Firefly isn't cancelled, it's a huge moneymaking series of movies. I think they're going to make like 10 of them.

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I think the ballot looks good so far, Lyra Jane (and I agree about separating the questions about closing each individual Angel thread). Also, I am selfishly thrilled that the two shows I voted for are the ones that got the most votes.

I'm not sure how I feel about the spoiler thread. Whitefont would bug, but I don't see any way around it in a general thread. I'm not ready to propose separate Lost and OC spoiler threads, and I especially don't want them to be voted down now so that the six-month rule keeps us from starting them if we need them in January.

If we voted now to close and archive Angel Spoilers, that wouldn't stop someone else from proposing new spoiler threads as needed later, right? I think I might just go with that plan.

What is the reasoning behind not including them as closeable on the ballot?

A couple of things. First, we aren't voting on closing all threads for cancelled shows -- we're talking about closing Angel Previously and Spoilers, which are unnecessary now that Angel is off the air, and Quotables after the deathmatches. There will still be threads for Angel and Buffy.

Second, because I don't want to take away valid places for discussion. Wonderfalls will be on DVD and doubles as a Tim thread, Firefly will be a movie.

Third, because I haven't posted in or read either since Wonderfalls was canceled, so I have very little knowledge of what's going on in them. If someone who does post in them proposes that they be archived, I'd probably vote for it, but I wouldn't feel right about proposing it myself.

Sounds reasonable to me. Thanks for clarification.

Lyra, I just want to mention that I think you've done a great job with this proposal so far. And that I will vote for the Lost thread because I want somewhere I can talk about the show without necessarily having to watch it exactly when it airs, for closing Previously and Angel Spoilers because they're useless at this point, and abstain on the closing of Quotables and the creation of the OC thread because I don't really care one way or the other.

I have been a mostly lurking member of the Spoilers threads, and I like spoilers for all shows. In my case, I even spoil myself for ends of books. So I personally would like a general Spoilers thread without whitefont.

Katie speaks for me.

A general spoilers thread without whitefont just seems problematic to me - you'd have to go all or nothing on being spoiled, wouldn't you? I'd prefer a general thread to separate threads, but I do think it would have to be mostly whitefont.