Sorry, I wasn't trying to be annoying.

It's not you, askye. It's not you, Jon and Gar. It's just the whole thing.

Jon's is fine. And yes. We don't yet have a consenus, just a consensus among those of us posting. We need the "single-ballot runoff is the devils work" people - those who publicly voice hatred for the idea - to come on and say they are willing to live with it, just this once . And I hope they will agree; but if they do not; if they block consensus, then we need to move on and do multi-ballot run-off. I hope someone gets the word to them so that they come on and agree or come on and block consensus fairly soon.

I think if they do block consensus, there should not be further discussion at this time; we should move on; given that I hope that any blocking of consensus will be done calmly, and in a doblerized fashion, along the lines of "I strong disagree; let's have a multi-ballot run-off". And if that happens we will accept it.

And regardless we should make sure the question of how to handle run-offs makes the queue as soon as possible.

I think if they do block consensus, there should not be further discussion at this time; we should move on; given that I hope that any blocking of consensus will be done calmly, and in a doblerized fashion, along the lines of "I strong disagree; let's have a multi-ballot run-off". And if that happens we will accept it.

I'm trying to block this "consensus" of four people right now. I do not think we need to bother doing anything other than a multi-ballot runoff for this issue.

Jesse I thought you did not feel strongly on the issue? We won't discuss it further, but I ask that you block consensus only on the substance, not on the "how other people will react". In other words at least one person should block the consenus, because they strongly oppose it on their own behalf.

I suggest that we have two ballots ready for tonight's vote at midnight. One will include the PV option with a second preference rank, the other will just have 3/4/6 and no preference. If we fail to get a consensus on using PV for this vote we'll use the other option, and there's still a good chance that the OTP will shine through and the PV/runoff issue will be moot for this ballot.

Even though I really have no opinion, just posting to say that I'm fine with trying the preferential ballot this time. I'm also fine with doing a regular runoff this time. Whichever way people feel more strongly about, I'm willing to try it.

Reposted from Kafka:

The PV people are like Sam I Am. "Try it, try it. You will see." It's so cute. I'm all for trying PV and seeing if it flies. If it's really crazy making, we don't have to do it again. And honestly, I don't think it's going to come up too often. Most votes will probably be yes/no type things.

This is really only an issue if there are 3 or more choices on a ballot and there is no clear cut winner.

Personally, I don't care which way we finally decide to vote--Preferentail or run off, as long as we come to a decision that most people can live with.

Which there are, this time.