This must be what going mad feels like.

Simon ,'Jaynestown'


Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!  

We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!


Jessica - Apr 02, 2004 2:28:36 pm PST #3709 of 10289
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

If it happens, it'll be nowhere near as bad as the naysayers think it will be, nor will it stop the politics talk in other threads.

I completely agree.


DavidS - Apr 02, 2004 2:28:42 pm PST #3710 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Because this community started out as one Buffy thread. Genre television is what brought us together.

I'm fine with that. Let's call it the genre TV thread.

Can you cite me situations in which thread-nannying has been enforced outside of right hand threads and incipient spoilers?

You're the one that made a point about limiting discussion there to the shows listed, and excepting Stargate because it was already happening in the Farscape thread.

eta: And look -- I'm thread-nannying myself right now. I don't think this belongs here, and would be happy to discuss it somewhere else.

I think it's germane to What Should B.Org Be, particularly in light of a fall with no ME shows. It has been posited during this discussion that Politics is outside our scope, and that we should maintain a pop cultural focus. I concur and would use that as an argument against a politics thread, and promote discussion about long-term notions of how we should be organized.


§ ita § - Apr 02, 2004 2:31:13 pm PST #3711 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Fine.

You're the one that made a point about limiting discussion there to the shows listed, and excepting Stargate because it was already happening in the Farscape thread.

Okay, but cite the thread-nannying. Who told who to get topics out?

I still maintain that's unprecedented apart from the examples I cite.


Liese S. - Apr 02, 2004 2:31:34 pm PST #3712 of 10289
"Faded like the lilac, he thought."

I wave my hand in the general direction of your deniability.

I know, David, it's a tough one. We didn't really end up with a good solution. But it came to vote, and this is what came out of it. Along with what ita's saying, I haven't really seen much of thread-nannying anywehere, except where it's policy defined and stompy enforced, like the right hand threads.

And anyway, yes. Let's move this portion if we need to.

While it relates to the similar themes as the politics thread, it is not yet up for a vote. Although if I were bettin', I'd bet it will be soon.


DavidS - Apr 02, 2004 2:31:50 pm PST #3713 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Bottom line for me is what kind of thread organization would provide the best discussion. That's the lifeblood of the community.

I'm not against Boxed Set by any means. I dislike that it's such a lumpy and arbitrary repository of topics.


DavidS - Apr 02, 2004 2:36:07 pm PST #3714 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Okay, but cite the thread-nannying. Who told who to get topics out?

Nobody. But I bet if OC discussion went there, there'd be some friction.

I wouldn't mind a place to discuss genre animation: Teen Titans, Justice League, Batman Beyond. I don't really think I could start a discussion in Boxed Set on those shows.


§ ita § - Apr 02, 2004 2:37:15 pm PST #3715 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I bet if OC discussion went there, there'd be some friction.

How much are you willing to bet?

Because there has been OC discussion in there. It died out, and resurrected in Natter, but have a threadsuck and a gander.


DavidS - Apr 02, 2004 2:44:03 pm PST #3716 of 10289
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

How much are you willing to bet?

Because there has been OC discussion in there. It died out, and resurrected in Natter, but have a threadsuck and a gander.

I think that if all the talk related to the OC regularly landed in that thread, it would bring into question the nature of that thread.

Which is all I'm doing right now. I don't have a grievance about thread-nannying or burning resentment about shows I want to talk about getting no home. (Minor peeves at best, really.) But I do think Boxed Set was an ungainly compromise to gloss over the bigger question which we didn't want to address right then. Namely, what will the b.org cultural focus be if there are no ME shows on the air.

Because I do think there's a necessary injection of new content brought in by being Joss and Tim fans. It enlivens discussion and enlarges our vocabulary with new phrases and pumps up enthusiasm.


§ ita § - Apr 02, 2004 2:46:20 pm PST #3717 of 10289
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

I think that if all the talk related to the OC regularly landed in that thread, it would bring into question the nature of that thread.

But, just like might happen in Jossverse, it didn't take. So I don't know if it's a useful scenario. The thread auto-nannied.


victor infante - Apr 02, 2004 2:54:10 pm PST #3718 of 10289
To understand what happened at the diner, we shall use Mr. Papaya! This is upsetting because he's the friendliest of fruits.

Because I do think there's a necessary injection of new content brought in by being Joss and Tim fans. It enlivens discussion and enlarges our vocabulary with new phrases and pumps up enthusiasm.

Fair point. The looming season brings us little to coalesce around. Tim's got (hopefully) "Wonderfalls" and "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress," and Joss has "Serenity" and "Astonishing X-Men."

Two movies that won't be out for a bit, one endangered TV show and a comic book which Joss won't write for too terribly long. And no Buffyverse at all aside from scattered comics and books.

I'm forced to agree with Jon that pop culture, more than anything else, has been at the center of this board. That being said, I'm less than concerned as to how it's broken up thread-wise, so long as the central themes are maintained. And, just to make my position even more ambivalent, I have a whole writing career built on the concept that the political and the cultural (even--and sometimes especially--the pop cultural) are by their very nature entwined. (Reference--everything ever written by Victor Infante since about 1994.)

Again, I'm not taking aside in the what goes in what thread game. I'm just saying that, really, it's a game you'll never win for long.