If it is not civil, I am not sure I am convinced it will raise the board's b.p. any more than it does when it gets un-civil in Natter.

B.P. will be raised more because there will be more political discussion than there otherwise would be without the new thread.

I have nothing new to add. I find myself nodding vigorously everytime Hec posts anything.

Oh. One thing. Anyone who thinks Natter will become more manageable with less political talk is kidding themselves (IMO). History has shown that adding a new thread does not diminish the Natter. Natter volume continued to grow no matter what other threads we threw in it's path. It's like a virtual Blob but without the young Steve McQueen.

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B.P. will be raised more because there will be more political discussion than there otherwise would be without the new thread.

I'm not convinced of the board's b.p. being worse, because I guess I feel it will be easier for individuals to avoid it, when they feel their b.p. rising, and they won't feel pushed out of a thread like Natter, where they might want to unwind.

I guess I'm also not convinced that there will be that much more discussion (admittedly though, if I had to bet, I would bet there would be more). I guess what I'm not convinced of is that the increase will be appreciable. The Jossverse in Other Media has only generated about 1600 posts in over a year and a half. The first Movies thread opened on Feb. 20, of last year. We're only only halfway through the second thread in a year+ later. The first music thread opened Jan. 3, of last year. We're about 2000 posts into the 2nd thread, over a year later. ***edited because I forgot the counter-point*** On the other hand, Minearverse is growing like Natter's bastard son on steroids, so I can see why people who are convinced there will be more political talk, hold that opinion.

Again though, I'd rather have a TV thread than a politics thread. That alone, is making me lean towards the no politics position, because I would hate to see a TV thread shot down, because of proliferation concerns.

Maybe we could whitefont politics talk in Natter, kind of like The OC talk, so those without interest could scroll by more easily (and not be tempted to get embroiled)? t /only partly kidding

Again though, I'd rather have a TV thread than a politics thread.

I really dislike this argument. It presupposes that there's only room for one new thread, and positions tv thread supporters against the politics thread. I know that isn't your intention, Cindy, but that's the way it comes across, at least to this reader.

I really dislike this argument. It presupposes that there's only room for one new thread, and positions tv thread supporters against the politics thread.

I can see your point here, Wolfram, but I disagree. Or at least... yes, that's one way to interpret it, but...

But the other problem is not "we only have room for one more thread," but instead that with each new thread, the anti-proliferation camp (whose position has some merit) gets more opposed to new threads.

This being a pop-culture board in origin, it seems more appropriate the a general TV thread have less of an uphill battle to get created than a politics thread.

I like the scattered talk. Of course, I'm guilty of it, but hey. I like the fact that threads of conversation pop up wherever we are. It adds to the feel of community, for me, where I'm feeling more and more that the thread spread has, in concert with increased numbers of people and speed of posting, lead to the everyone's alone in a crowd feel. Plus, seems people do more picking and sticking with threads, so that they become not so much subcultures, but completely independent cultures.

I should have just waited to comment so I could have said, "What Plei said." This is EXACTLY how I feel.

But the other problem is not "we only have room for one more thread," but instead that with each new thread, the anti-proliferation camp (whose position has some merit) gets more opposed to new threads.

This. This is the idea I meant to express. Thanks Sean, and thanks Wolfram, for pointing out the problems with mine, so that Sean could articulate what I wanted to say. I'm middle of the road on proliferation. I like that the threads here are controlled. I don't like to think of our current thread list as some kind of dead-document-constitution, either though, particularly with Buffy and Firefly gone, Angel going, and Wonderfalls so iffy.

But the other problem is not "we only have room for one more thread," but instead that with each new thread, the anti-proliferation camp (whose position has some merit) gets more opposed to new threads.

Sean, the "anti-proliferation camp" is always going to be anti-new threads in general. And granted, each new thread makes the creation of another thread, to some degree, a little less palatable to the APC. But by that logic, each closed thread should make the creation of a new thread a little more palatable. We're closing deathmatch. We recently closed the holiday thread. Does that mean the Politics thread gets, to some degree, more support from the APC?

The APC also takes into account other factors like the purpose of the thread and the demand for the thread. I don't think any one in the APC says no to a thread, solely because the thread count is too high. So it's never the politics thread or the TV thread. Of course arguing about the APC is like arguing about what the lurkers want, there's no way to prove or disprove their intentions. But is there anyone here who would vote down a proposed TV thread substantially because we opened a politics thread?

This being a pop-culture board in origin, it seems more appropriate the a general TV thread have less of an uphill battle to get created than a politics thread.

The moratorium on the general TV thread ended in September. Nobody has proposed a general TV thread since then. If and when that happens, we'll see what kind of uphill battle it does or does not have. But to claim that it would have more of an uphill battle at this point is speculative and premature.

Well, like I said, I understand your point, but I disagree that it's a disingenuous or meritless argument.

Well, like I said, I understand your point, but I disagree that it's a disingenuous or meritless argument.

Well that's because you're a stoopidhead.