Nope. There has been considerable conversation that casting should be fair game period. Casting, official press releases, etc. If that's been discarded, cool.

Actually, that was *never* being discussed AFAIK. Everyone has repeatedly said that mid-season casting changes, guest stars, etc, are still spoilers.

To be fair to Trudy, the original proposal did not limit itself to the summer break, but there was a quick consensus that it should. For the last two days I haven''t seen anyone post assuming that the final wording would include mid-season stuff.

There has been considerable conversation that casting should be fair game period. Casting, official press releases, etc. If that's been discarded, cool.

There has? When?

I don't think there's been much (if any) serious suggestion that casting in general shouldn't be treated as spoilers on the board anymore. If I had to make a wild guess - always dangerous - I'd guess that Trudy's remembering some of the wider conversation we had about whether or not casting spoilers ought to be considered spoilers on a more philosophical level. You know, the arguments about whether it's spoilery to know that ASH is only doing ten episodes or whatever, that kind of thing.

That's fine, but I think we need to be clear that casting spoilers in general are to remain casting spoilers. This proposal only covers changes to the regular cast that are officially announced over the summer hiatus.

This proposal only covers changes to the regular cast that are officially announced over the summer hiatus.

That is my understanding. It is limited in scope. I would hazard that one reason for underlying resentment is that as a matter of courtesy the spoiled folks have conceded much much more territory already than the virgin-pure would be giving up within the scope of this proposal - but are treating as Custer's last stand.

Angel season five premiere is 10 weeks from Wednesday.

Just felt like sharing.

The proposal is for all summer changes from henceforth. Meaning for as long as we have threads for active ME-related shows.

That was my thought.

Sweet Zombie Jesus

OK, I'm back. Apologies for my absence yesterday.

Right, I've read (with skimmage) as much as possible of the discussion surrounding my proposal. I therefore propose to begin the vote on the following wording:

"That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB at their annual upfront presentation to advertisers, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads only . This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus only (not midseason) . Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

While I can understand the desire of some to have an utterly unspoiled area, the changes defined above have always (and by always I mean "since Becoming, when we discussed the fact that Angel was getting his own show") been fair game. I just don't see it as practical to keep chages of the magnitude and publicness out of the main threads. If the Virgins want a virgin thread, then, as Hec said, I think that'll be a quiet thread, but go for it. This solution isn't perfect, but it is a solution and an end to this particular debate which has, over the last few days, gone completely insane.

SO, how do I begin the vote, please?

PS - thanks to all who've helped index and reference this debate for me. I thought the discussions about the new format for the House of Lords was a pain in the arse!

Sweet Zombie Jesus

Odd request, but might I tag?

Any desire to address the waiting period of 4 weeks post-show? (I think that was the discussed waiting period)

(ETA: post season-finale, that is.)