The proposal is for all summer changes from henceforth. Meaning for as long as we have threads for active ME-related shows.

That was my thought.

Sweet Zombie Jesus

OK, I'm back. Apologies for my absence yesterday.

Right, I've read (with skimmage) as much as possible of the discussion surrounding my proposal. I therefore propose to begin the vote on the following wording:

"That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB at their annual upfront presentation to advertisers, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads only . This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus only (not midseason) . Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

While I can understand the desire of some to have an utterly unspoiled area, the changes defined above have always (and by always I mean "since Becoming, when we discussed the fact that Angel was getting his own show") been fair game. I just don't see it as practical to keep chages of the magnitude and publicness out of the main threads. If the Virgins want a virgin thread, then, as Hec said, I think that'll be a quiet thread, but go for it. This solution isn't perfect, but it is a solution and an end to this particular debate which has, over the last few days, gone completely insane.

SO, how do I begin the vote, please?

PS - thanks to all who've helped index and reference this debate for me. I thought the discussions about the new format for the House of Lords was a pain in the arse!

Sweet Zombie Jesus

Odd request, but might I tag?

Any desire to address the waiting period of 4 weeks post-show? (I think that was the discussed waiting period)

(ETA: post season-finale, that is.)

We didn't kill Jim! Yay!

And Jim didn't kill us. Whew.

Any desire to address the waiting period of 4 weeks post-show? (I think that was the discussed waiting period)

Missed that. Summarise (I feel like a Minister). And of course you can tag.

Cindy "Bureaucracy 2: Like Sartre, Only Longer" Jul 28, 2003 1:51:35 pm PDT

Starts there. It's in the wrong thread, which is why the missing.

Basically, that the Announced Blah Blah Blah are fair game starting 4 weeks after the Blah Blah Blah are announced, or 4 weeks after the season finale, whichever is later.

OK, I can agree with that (it seems popular):

That major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox or the WB at their annual upfront presentation to advertisers, are no longer considered spoilers and may be discussed, within their respective show threads only, from 4 weeks after the Annual Upfront Presentation or 4 weeks after the previous season finale, whichever is the later. This only includes cast additions or departures that occur over summer hiatus only (not midseason) . Any plot points related to the character's (not the actor's) arrival or departure are to be treated as spoilers. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits."

Edited for tage closure

Jim - if that is your final wording, the next step will be for stompies to close the thread, and set up a voting form. Probably not at 2 in the morning - so sometime much much later today.