Maybe I'm way off base here, but I never got the impression that this wonderful board was designed to be all things for all people. I thought it was designed to be most things to most people. I don't want to see anyone ghettoized or made to feel left out, but I think that in trying to be all things to all people we will fracture ourselves more.

Sometimes people move out of a neighborhood. It happens. It's sad, but people all need to do what's best for themselves and their needs.

Note: The above is NOT, in anyway, directed at any one person or group of people.

There isn't a middle if you want to watch the show without having any clue of what is going to happen.

Again, we don't know what the outcome to this vote is yet.

If the summer-cast-change is allowed as non-spoily, then you may propose a new board for virgins. If you get the necessary seconds it will be go back to Lightbult for discussion and a vote.

This will all happen before the season begins.

It'll dilute the discussion quite a bit and confuse the boards and create new threads to slice everything so fine. That's my issue.

Agreed. I feel like we've lost a great deal of richness in natter by removing movies and music (note -- absolutely not proposing any change, just observing); we've seen that a bunch of people avoid the show threads altogether out of fear of treading on the spoiler policy we already have. The social effects of thread proliferation are much greater than the bandwidth cost. I hate to see this turn into one of those boards where there are a million separate threads and no good discussion.

I don't want to see anyone ghettoized or made to feel left out, but I think that in trying to be all things to all people we will fracture ourselves more.

Exactly.

However, if the Virgins can make their case and muster the votes then we'll add a virgin board. I wouldn't prefer that and would expect that to be a very tiny tea party indeed. But if it gets voted in, so be it.

Maybe I'm way off base here, but I never got the impression that this wonderful board was designed to be all things for all people. I thought it was designed to be most things to most people.

Exactly this.

Personally, I'm against a compromise that ghettoizes each spoiler or unspoiler group into their own thread. I'm for accomodating the middle as much as possible and using the vote to find out what the middle is.

Concur with David.

I thought it was designed to be most things to most people.

I agree, justkim. (Can I call you Kim?) One of the reasons I'm eager for a vote is to find out where "most" lies. (I mean, I have my suspicions, but nobody will abide by my suspicions!

If this discussion keeps up much longer, there won't be many people left on the board for this to be a issue.

Personally, I'm against a compromise that ghettoizes each spoiler or unspoiler group into their own thread. I'm for accomodating the middle as much as possible and using the vote to find out what the middle is.

It'll dilute the discussion quite a bit and confuse the boards and create new threads to slice everything so fine. That's my issue.

This is my problem, too. Spoilers and spoilage lite are for discussion of spoilers, pretty much. The Virgin Thread would be a *show* thread, and I think that would dilute discussion.

Also, if we create threads for other shows in the future, would we have to have spoiler-free versions of each of them? The proliferation and ghettoization issues implied by that bother even me.

There isn't a middle if you want to watch the show without having any clue of what is going to happen.

There's never been a thread for people in this situation. We've always discussed previews, which tell waaay more about the plot than knowing David Boreanaz will be back as Angel does.

I know there are people who don't even watch previews; I don't know how they read the board.

However, if the Virgins can make their case and muster the votes then we'll add a virgin board. I wouldn't prefer that and would expect that to be a very tiny tea party indeed. But if it gets voted in, so be it.

This is where I am, too.

(And I apologize for saying "take it to lightbulbs" and then disappearing. Meetings wait for no woman.)

What Lyra Jane, David, Kim, Nutty, PMM, etc. have said. The more threads to discuss the show the less real discussion.

The question in my mind for this vote is whether or not summer casting announcements by TPTB are spoilers for this board.

I'd like to see any ballot create a thread for whichever community looses out.

Quite frankly, I'd rather see this voted on as a separate issue. I am not alone on this issue.

No, you're not alone. Clarifying the definition of spoilers is not the same as creating a thread. It should be 2 separate issues. Also, maybe there are people who would vote yes to one and no to the other. If you add a rider, that makes it impossible to have 2 different opinions.

There isn't a middle if you want to watch the show without having any clue of what is going to happen.

I think the point is, if you want to watch the show without having ANY clue of what is going to happen, you AREN'T in the "middle."