Voting Discussion: We're Screwing In Light Bulbs AIFG!
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Does this mean the third wasn't yet official? I didn't read your whitefont.
Looks like the third is official but an element of that spoiler that I happen to know wasn't. Or anyway, that's what Kristen says.
Cindy, I'm going back to whitefont:
Well but he is a regular... oh, right, you're saying that in the act of becoming not-a-regular his potential return would be as a recurring/one-shot character and thus not allowable. That makes sense, though I don't know if people would manage to hold to it. (Not that I don't think people would try - I don't want to imply that I think the spoiler folks here want to mess with the spoiler-free.) Looks like it's a moot point anyway, according to Kristen.
NAFDA is a spoiler free zone.
I agree.
We don't agree on the definition of a spoiler with regards to officially announced casting news, and how it can be handled in that zone.
I used the term 'virgin' - specifically to set aside the people who don't want to know a single thing, not even the regular cast.
The regular cast is what is in contention here. Anti-proposal people mostly say it's a spoiler until the WB tells us via a TV promo. Pro-proposal people are saying we never treated it as a spoiler until this past year. That was also a squeeze. That the squeeze was represented by an answer in the FAQ is not so much at issue as whether the FAQ was written taking board culture into consideration.
Since we previously discussed regulars and if they were returning or not, if this news broke over the summer, pro-proposal people believe it wasn't taken into consideration.
DB is Angel is no more a piece of valid news because I see a promo on my TV, than it is when I read a press release from the WB, officially confirming it renewed Angel and which cast members will be regulars. It's been artificially validated by a FAQ answer, that didn't truly answer the question with regards to Buffista spoiler/casting news treatment.
We didn't see in a promo that ASH wouldn't be a regular. We talked about SMG coming back as Buffy long before the season 6 pre-season promos aired.
Info from interviews is still considered verbotten, right?
If it's a printed interview I thought it was okay?
So if, say, Joss Whedon gives an August interview to the New York Times in which he says "great news! Elvis Presley is going to rise from the dead and become a regular on Angel!" we'd be able to talk about that under this proposal.
Guys, one show ending and in some or whatever way being incorporated into the other show is huge and spoiley in an unprecedented fashion.
The show ending isn't spoilery, and as far as incorporation, they sort of already are. I don't think that really has anything to do with what we're discussing.
If it's a printed interview I thought it was okay?
That's not a proposal I would support thanks to Jeff Bell. It would make too many things a spoiler. I'm still in the upfront corner.
That's not a proposal I would support thanks to Jeff Bell. It would make too many things a spoiler. I'm still in the upfront corner.
I'm with Kristen.
So if, say, Joss Whedon gives an August interview to the New York Times in which he says "great news! Elvis Presley is going to rise from the dead and become a regular on Angel!" we'd be able to talk about that under this proposal.
That kind of question is what is supposed to be talked about in this thread. How do we formulate the proposal to take it to ballot. That wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. It wouldn't be a deal maker for me. I can't speak for others.
However, if Joss is announcing an addition to the cast of regulars, it seems to me the information would show up in other official places like the show's official cast page, unless Joss was lying, in which case nobody is spoiled.
Not that Joss would l...
Oh. That was last summer.
I have some requests to make of Jim when he words the vote proposal.
a) can you specify if it's just particular spoilers being allowed for open discussion.
b) If it's a clarification/change in our spoiler policy can you specifically list what is/not a spoiler (casting only, casting over the summer, new characters, etc) I'm not trying to limit what can be discussed, I'd just like it to be very clear in the wording, so there is no confusion.
c) Can you specify from what sources this information will be considered to be not a spoiler (WB cast lists, WB web site, CNN, etc) Again, not trying to limit choices, just want there to be no confusion.
d) Can you specify what threads will be affected (all NAFDA threads, all show threads, just Angel, etc).
I just want this vote to be very, very clear, so that we don't keep running into the confusion that previous votes seem to have generated.
As to the spoiler-free peeps having to stay out of a show thread for fear that one of us who wants to discuss the BCS will spoil them, I would just like to point out that as an West Coaster, I have to stay out of show threads starting three hours before the show starts if I wish to remain unspoiled.
And even if I decide to watch and post, I run the risk of getting spoiled.
So, your plight is maybe not as unique or misunderstood as you're making out to be.
(Edited 'cuz what coast am I on again?)
Sean, it's not just the show thread we'd have to stay out of.
And it's not just three big hours a week.