If the spoiler tolerance increases to include stuff like the WB cast list and announcement, etc, I'd get too spoiled for my own tolerance and would be unable to participate because my enjoyment of the show would decrease.

But until very recently it did include stuff like that, and more if I'm correct about the musical. What's happened is a decrease in tolerance without this kind of discussion.

the only way I can adhere to my standard for my own level of spoiledness is to stay out of NAFDA.

Ding ding ding - and many people have to compromise their own level of spoiledness in order to have a conversation about something that is casting news when the WB tells us on our TVs, but is treated as a spoiler when the WB makes its press release.

It's the same circumstance, only one affects one group, and one affects another.

You know why I was as spoiled as I was towards the end? (I stayed clean throughout the middle of the season) because when we did that white font stuff to accomodate people who were delayed for one show or the other, I couldn't use the NAFDA threads. Someone is always being displaced. I had to choose between being spoiled, and not using a show thread to talk about the shows. I chose being spoiled. You chose not being spoiled.

But until very recently it did include stuff like that, and more if I'm correct about the musical. What's happened is a decrease in tolerance without this kind of discussion.

Standing behind Heather, nodding firmly.

But until very recently it did include stuff like that

Not really, no.

There were some over summer discussions most of which were about the status quo.

You know why I was as spoiled as I was towards the end? (I stayed clean throughout the middle of the season) because when we did that white font stuff to accomodate people who were delayed for one show or the other, I couldn't use the NAFDA threads.

Cindy, people shouldn't have to stay out of NAFDA to remain unspoiled. That is what we are saying.

Here's why I like things being whitefonted in Spoilers Lite: I like being able to pick what I know -- maybe I want to read the tv guide blurb, maybe I don't. Casting stuff I don't care about, character stuff may be different. Knowing that Colin Farrell will be in an 8-episode arc is different from knowing that he's playing Gunn's new boyfriend. Or whatever.

I'm not getting into the rest of the discussion, because I basically don't see what there is to talk about in the show threads all summer anyway. Especially if you're not speculating based on the announced cast changes. I do understand there's always something to say, of course, in the land of the Buffistas, I'm just saying.

the other argument is whether this can actually be voted upon. Need to discuss argument two before one can happen. Keerect?

The onus is on the people making the challenge to show us that this idea was shot down either negatively or positively, during the discussions formulating the spoiler policy.

Elena - if people didn't say "no" to a virgins thread, would you find it a safe haven during the times between spoilers were allowed in NAFDA, or are you rejecting it wholesale? If you wouldn't find it a safe haven, would you find it ghettoizing and isolating?

Cindy, we're talking about changing current board policy. I like the way things are in the current NAFDA threads. You don't. I want the status quo, you want change. I suggested a new thread for the purposes of the BCS and it was not even discussed as a viable possibility. Would I reject a "virgins" thread? Hmm. I think that our current NAFDA show threads are basically what the "virgin" thread would become. I don't see the need. But, let's say this vote gets passed and the spoiler policy is changed - I would not be able to go into the NAFDA Angel thread. That's actually okay, I'll discuss in Atlantic Canadians, where we're small enough to decide our spoiler policy with each (regular) poster's spoiler tolerances in mind. I, personally, don't need a "virgin" show thread. But I would not be able to go into Bitches or Bitchy fic, and that I would very much mind, and no show thread would be able to make up for that.

But I would not be able to go into Bitches or Bitchy fic, and that I would very much mind, and no show thread would be able to make up for that.

I thought we had a pretty strong consensus for only discussing casting changes in the relevant show thread(s), not in other NAFDA areas like Bitches.

The spoiler policy is about what we can post. Not about how spoiled we can get. If I want to go to spoiler sites or camp out in Joss's back yard, our spoiler policy doesn't actually dictate whether I can or can't.

Just because our spoiler policy says we can't post about something until it's been promoed doesn't mean that all the advance info we're allowed to know can be from the promo.

Very true - but our spoiler policy does dictate how unspoiled a person can remain while reading the threads.