Gandalfe, I don't think that was particularly helpful. The tone in here has gotten rather tense at times and your post sort of puts us right back in the middle of tension when it felt like we were starting to work our way out of there.

These artists! Wanting to explore their range.

Well, my Wonder Falls issues come from a place that I really shouldn't get into. But I gots issues. Whole truckloads of them. My bloodythirstiness is really just a hula girl doll on the dashboard of one of the trucks in the convoy.

When tv schedules are announced in regular articles in papers and on websites (news sites, not fan sites), cast lists are included.

Thank you for the information, Cindy. See, also, what I said to Plei.

Gandalfe, your post was not at all cool, yo.

Know the thing about heat and the kitchen? This is the kitchen inside Hell's volcano. Just ya know, I had me freakout awhile back and am passing on the wisdom.

Oh! Here's a thought. We're trying to define how we decide what cast list is official. What if we said:

Major casting spoilers (to the main cast only, not recurring or guest), which are being advertised by Fox, the WB or ME in press advertising or their official website, in their annual upfront presentation to advertisers are no longer spoilers, and should be discussed in the show threads. This includes cast additions or departures. The Main Cast are those characters who appear in the opening credits.

Doesn't that make it more clear what is official and what isn't?

Seriously, I think it would be helpful for the pro-spoiler folk to define themselves as ones or twos as they are very different positions.

Do you want to discuss Spike or do you want to broaden the term of non-spoiler to include press releases and the website?

Well, yes, it does Kristen.

But it's also a change to our current spoiler policy. And changing policy may be a problem.

I'm sitting in the upfront corner with Kristen.

I don't think they are that different though. I think we used to discuss common knowledge/official press release/whatever things. BCS is one of those.

So, like I said I'm a blend of 1 and 2.

But it's also a change to our current spoiler policy. And changing policy may be a problem.

That is what the proposal is about, though -- changing the spoiler policy.

It sounds good, Kristen. (It also sounds like there is something besides Spikes Back! and I really don't want to know that.)

That looks like a good definition for position one.

I do believe, however, that there is a contingent of position two who want to expand the definition in general.