'Selfless'
We open it up, we talks the talk, we votes, we shuts it down. This thread is to free up Bureaucracy for daily details as we hammer out the Big Issues towards a vote. Open only when a proposal has been made and seconded according to Buffista policy (Which we voted on!). If this thread is closed, hie thee to Bureaucracy instead!
Kristen, I am sorry if the tone seemed harsh. I really am.
Couldn't I say the same thing to you about casting spoilers, though? Why does your opinion weigh more?
It doesn't weigh more, but if you spoil me I cannot be unspoiled. I, otoh, cannot irrevocably unspoil you.
Unreasonable might be better. Conversations are stifled when we can't discuss Nick's new show, or Emma's theatre aspirations. I think that's unreasonable, and I think my opinion on that weighs as much as anyone's.
Those come under "anti-spoilers". They are an admittedly recent corruption of the policy. I'm willing to give them up as they are not in the definition. I think everyone else is too.
Couldn't I say the same thing to you about casting spoilers, though? Why does your opinion weigh more?
Oh, look, Trudy just said what I was going to say.
(edit) It has been brought to my attention that this post might be considered snarky. That was in no way my intention, I just read Trudy's post while I was about to post literally the same response and it struck me terribly funny.
Trudy, Elena, I'm just speculating here, but it does seem that Spoilers is now a subcommunity, who are increasingly going to the the Spoiler thread for general discussion, in order to protect the unspoiled from slips. A fair amount of time, Spoilers is pretty unSpoilery, and more Speculationy.
There is likely going to be an entire fast moving thread containing conversation in which you cannot take part. Are you okay with that? Because the way I see it, Spoilers is actually most often: Angel, with Casting Info.
I'm not really committed to anything. I get that if you're spoiled you can't be unspoiled, and I get the frustration about not discussing things in the show threads that are common knowledge. It feels like sticking our heads in the sand.
It reminded me of something though. Did we know that there would be a musical episode prior to the promos? Did we talk about it? I remember a link to one of the promos, but I honestly have no idea if it was a spoiler or not.
Thank you, Trudy. I appreciate that.
Spoilers is actually most often: Angel, with Casting Info.
Yes. This. Spoilers really has become its own community, natter and all, for the reasons I cited above.
We talked about cilantro and whether or not it grows from the devil's ass for 40 posts, yesterday.
There is likely going to be an entire fast moving thread containing conversation in which you cannot take part. Are you okay with that? Because the way I see it, Spoilers is actually most often: Angel, with Casting Info.
Allyson, I have been okay with that up to now. And if the spoiler policy gets loosened in the NAFDA threads I'm going to have to be okay with missing more threads.
The thing is - knowing stuff ahead of time - even stuff like who is signing on and who is leaving - diminishes my enjoyment of the show. In much the same way that spoiler-seekers have their enjoyment increased by knowing details and anticipating what's to come next, my enjoyment comes from the not knowing. From seeing things spool out ahead of me in ways that I cannot begin to know.
There is likely going to be an entire fast moving thread containing conversation in which you cannot take part. Are you okay with that? Because the way I see it, Spoilers is actually most often: Angel, with Casting Info.
I am much more ok with that than having to unsub from Bitches in order to enjoy the show as it unfolds.
It would be a horrible choice to have to make.
Yes, we have made changes to the FAQ since March 20th. In fact, we made a small change to it [the addition of Doblerize] on March 21st. And there was talk in April about adding our voting procedures to it but I don't think that has happened yet.
Yes, we have. The point was (and I am still hoping someone will prove me wrong) is that the grandfather clause was enacted on May 22, 2003, and there haven't been substantial changes to the faq since then (that I can find).
Am packing up my basement - just want to say again, I'm sorry I've offended some of you. I don't think quashing this proposal is going to do anything to improve board relations.