There is likely going to be an entire fast moving thread containing conversation in which you cannot take part. Are you okay with that? Because the way I see it, Spoilers is actually most often: Angel, with Casting Info.

Allyson, I have been okay with that up to now. And if the spoiler policy gets loosened in the NAFDA threads I'm going to have to be okay with missing more threads.

The thing is - knowing stuff ahead of time - even stuff like who is signing on and who is leaving - diminishes my enjoyment of the show. In much the same way that spoiler-seekers have their enjoyment increased by knowing details and anticipating what's to come next, my enjoyment comes from the not knowing. From seeing things spool out ahead of me in ways that I cannot begin to know.

There is likely going to be an entire fast moving thread containing conversation in which you cannot take part. Are you okay with that? Because the way I see it, Spoilers is actually most often: Angel, with Casting Info.

I am much more ok with that than having to unsub from Bitches in order to enjoy the show as it unfolds.

It would be a horrible choice to have to make.

Yes, we have made changes to the FAQ since March 20th. In fact, we made a small change to it [the addition of Doblerize] on March 21st. And there was talk in April about adding our voting procedures to it but I don't think that has happened yet.

Yes, we have. The point was (and I am still hoping someone will prove me wrong) is that the grandfather clause was enacted on May 22, 2003, and there haven't been substantial changes to the faq since then (that I can find).

Am packing up my basement - just want to say again, I'm sorry I've offended some of you. I don't think quashing this proposal is going to do anything to improve board relations.

I understand that, Elena, but the climate is such that we had to mull over whether or not we could say that this was the last season of Buffy, lest it ruin your surprise of turning on UPN at 8pm on Tuesday this Fall and seeing the new Dan Cortese show that's going to be canceled.

That was a spoiler in that no character would be returning to Buffy.

I get that if you're spoiled you can't be unspoiled, and I get the frustration about not discussing things in the show threads that are common knowledge.

Heather, part of what frustrates me is that I have been spoiled by people who thought what they were talking about was common knowledge... It's not.

Sometimes those with knowledge forget that others don't know it too. Lemme examplify. I am frequently amazed that people don't know the difference between acetaminophen, ASA, and ibuprofen - because how could you not know that? Oh, right. Because they are not pharmacists. How can I not know that Ed Asner is replacing DB as the title character? Oh, right. Because I'm not a spoiler-seeker.

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I understand that, Elena, but the climate is such that we had to mull over whether or not we could say that this was the last season of Buffy, lest it ruin your surprise of turning on UPN at 8pm on Tuesday this Fall and seeing the new Dan Cortese show that's going to be canceled.

That was a spoiler in that no character would be returning to Buffy.

Right. And it ended up getting "spilled" in the thread after the frustration over the elephant in the livingroom got too intense. (May I just add, parenthetically, that when people talked about the pink elephant in the threads I actually had no idea that this being Buffy's last season was said elephant because people had discussed that SMG was only contracted for 7 seasons way back on WX and - I think - on TT.) And did it actually end up spoiling anything? Because I think that the information was so widely spread that it was, in fact, common knowlege... The problem is that it's hard to determine what, in fact, is common knowledge and what is not.

I'm not sure I agree with your analogy though. I think it's more of a who doesn't know that Bayer's asprin. We used to accept some things as general knowledge. That's why I'm asking about the musical. I have the impression that that was general knowledge, in much the same way as the BCS is (ie promoted the hell out of even before a promo ever aired).

And did it actually end up spoiling anything? Because I think that the information was so widely spread that it was, in fact, common knowlege...

There were people in the Buffy thread who were *vehement* that it should not be posted that SMG was not coming back for an 8th season. So *they* seemed to feel it was a spoiler.

And, true, it was not in a promo. Because what a dull promo that would be.

Coming this fall: NOTHING.

I think everyone agrees that buffy not being permanantly dead and the show surviving was very much an acceptable exception.

Somewhere out there, is a someone who disagrees, Trudy. It'd be hyperbolic if it weren't true, but many of us didn't know if we could post that SMG did not sign on for eight. That's the current climate, and it appears (though it may be untrue), that we're vigilantly protecting a few people who get to arbitrarily decide what is a spoiler. The state of SMGs contract was never in any promo, and the end of Buffy not til the last five episodes.