How else would it be changed?

Oh, no, I totally see why this is necessary, I just mean it points to how flinchy the board has become about these issues.

Neither. You were delurking to make a pretty good point about Xander and Anya's engagement, and then there were a lot of "Welcome Burrell!!!"s

groovy!

I just mean it points to how flinchy the board has become about these issues

Spoilers, you mean? Or changes? I didn't think these issues had come up before.

If Amy Ackerman were leaving the show, and it was publicly discussed between seasons, then yes I think it would become widely known, and would not be a spoiler.

We differ on whether we regard the observed proportions to be a statistically reliable indicator of the actual proportions. I believe it contains a persistent bias, for the reasons given.

Oh! I agree the numbers are probably not valid on a scientific level, but they do give a rough indication, which is all I meant to start with.

So if it's not widely discussed (and what's your definition of widely?) then it is a spoiler? Because that needs to be reflected in the proposal.

If AD is leaving Angel, for instance, how will the promos tell us this?

Given that they never bother to put him IN the general promos... it'd be kind of hard. Not that I'm bitter.

(Ahem)

Any cast members that they do tend to focus on in promos leaving, I think we'd tell by their absence. Or at least start speculating.

Or, if they had one of those (like the promo stills) shots with the full cast, and someone wasn't in the shot, that would be a Big Ass Clue.

We're spending a lot of time focussing on the elephant in the middle of the room.

Suppose Amy Acker is leaving the show ... Elena doesn't know she doesn't know, so she can't tell you.

What's this? Amy Acker is leaving the show to train elephants to sit in the middle of a room?

ita - YOU BASTARD!!!

Okay.

con - Many people have said that knowing such things as the current casting spoilers decrease their enjoyment in the show.

pro - People who know the spoilers want to discuss them freely in the NAFDA threads because not doing so decreases their enjoyment (in the board? in the show?)

Is this an accurate summation of the basic positions?

On what grounds does the proposal intend this to be openly discussable?

I'm not clear on that.

I think this is a key point. Isn't the proposal limited to discussion of between-season casting spoilers that are being actively promoted by either the network or ME?

In which case, I personally know of 3 spoilers, only two of which, in my mind, would meet this criteria.

So if it's not widely discussed (and what's your definition of widely?) then it is a spoiler? Because that needs to be reflected in the proposal.

I agree with ita. I've been asking a similar question all day.

I think this is a key point. Isn't the proposal limited to discussion of between-season casting spoilers that are being actively promoted by either the network or ME?

Yes.