I guess my position then becomes that I feel WB/ME promotional material, Jossian interviews, and entertainment media magazines/programs should be exactly equivalent to on-air promos.

That's quite different from the current understanding/ruleset. I think the promos set a good line because they are canon-ish. Once the WB airs a promo, that's easily quantifiable. When we say "entertainment media magazines/programs", that's a pretty wide net, and there's no saying how widely those media are viewed/read. I mean, the Upper Rubber Boot Register does a 4 page spread. Entertainment Tonight does 10 seconds. Spoiler or Common Knowledge?

Is it a major market?

Yes.

Will the story get picked up and distributed widely? Did Joss talk about the casting?

I've seen it distributed since, but now I can't remember where. WRT to the casting question, I'm sorry, I guess I wasn't clear that I can't remember the content. My point was, you mentioned mainstream media or summat, and so my quesiton was hypothetical. If it's mentioned in the morning paper of a major city, is that mainstream enough?

If it's mentioned in the morning paper of a major city, is that mainstream enough?

It sounds to me like Elena's answer is no, since only the people in that city who read the paper would know.

Elena, you're riding this really hard. Would any newspaper qualify, in your eyes? And I don't mean that in a snarky way; I'm genuinely wondering. Because it sounds like no.

They were genuine questions. I'm not in the US. I don't know if Boston is a major market. I'm trying to get a feel for how widely the information is known. That's all I'm trying to do.

I don't actually understand what you mean by 'riding this really hard'. (Literally, not sure what the phrase means here.)

I'm curious -- does Lorne's decapitation fall under that?

I feel like this question ignores the context of the proposal, which is focused on discussing off-season additions to and departures from the contracted regular cast.

edited to add the words "focused on discussing"

It sounds to me like Elena's answer is no, since only the people in that city who read the paper would know.

Hi. Standing right here... I just wanted more information.

Have you guys ever been spoiled when you didn't want to be? It's not a good thing. I'm just trying to keep it from happening to other people. I don't think that's a bad thing.

I don't actually understand what you mean by 'riding this really hard'. (Literally, not sure what the phrase means here.)

You seem to be responding very similarly to everyone when they mention a scenario in which a main casting spoiler has been disseminated (i.e., "I haven't seen it." "Not to me." etc.)

Can we get abstract for a second, Cindy? I'm asking about principles -- you've stated that the WB promoting something is sufficient that you don't consider it a spoiler.

I'm trying to understand that if the WB promotes something the writer doesn't want you to know -- do you still consider that something that can spoil?

Again -- my only reason for voting yes would be because I'd bowed to the inevitability of the news spreading. Not the rightness, or the lack of detriment to people that don't want to know. Just that ... it'll happen to most, trust me.

Other people are obviously coming from different places, and I'm trying to ascertain what they are.

You seem to be responding very similarly to everyone when they mention a scenario in which a main casting spoiler has been disseminated (i.e., "I haven't seen it." "Not to me." etc.)

I'm just saying what my experience is. If I'm giving similar answers it's because they are true - I haven't seen these things that are being mentioned. Is it really any different then people explaining where they saw the news?

Have you guys ever been spoiled when you didn't want to be? It's not a good thing. I'm just trying to keep it from happening to other people. I don't think that's a bad thing.

Yep - Joyce's death in a thread title at the old WB threaded Bronze. It sucked. It wasn't the only time, either. I wasn't always a spoiler hound. Sometimes, I'm so pristine I could be canonized, and I have reasons for both spoiling and not spoiling.

The thread title on Joyce's death spoiled a story for me - spoiled the end of IWMTLH.

I'm going to ask again, what are we protecting by delaying this discussion of additions/departures until the promo airs on TV? At that point, we all agree the info is fair game for NAFDA. So people who go to NAFDA would not learn this information as part of a plot, anyhow. Those who abandon NAFDA around August or September would still not learn this information from the plot, but rather from the opening credits.

What value is there to be had from extending the rule to this extreme?