(In reference to my own last post:)

However, I don't know what I'm contributing to this discussion. It's been released in official WB and ME promotional material, and Joss talks about it all the time in interviews.

To me, that says it's fair game to talk about.

I know some people don't know, haven't seen promotional material, and avaoid interviews, but I very strongly feel that this meets the spirit of the spoiler policy, if not the letter.

We had to draw the line somewhere, and we decided that "an on-air promo" was common knowledge enough, even if you never see the promo

I guess my position then becomes that I feel WB/ME promotional material, Jossian interviews, and entertainment media magazines/programs should be exactly equivalent to on-air promos.

You may not have read/seen the posters/interviews, but you may miss/volutarily avoid the promo anyway.

I'm not sure he will. I mean, the proposal was to amend the spoiler definition. Which means that the NAFDA threads would be fair game. I really, really dislike the idea of a thread-specific amendment, because again, what if something like this comes up again?

We're getting all cross-posty. I agree with your line of thinking wrt to making this a NAFDA rule.

There was a Joss interview in a major Boston morning newspaper last week. I can't remember specifics, but does that count as mainstream?

Not to me, I don't live in Boston. Is it a major market? Will the story get picked up and distributed widely? Did Joss talk about the casting?

Which means, then, that the minority would be majorly inconvenienced, if they had to stay out of that many threads -- and remember, there are at least two casting spoilers that may fall under this rule -- that would put me against a yes.

ISTR it was also mentioned in TV Guide. If I'm not hallucinating, then that's definitely US mainstream.

There was a Joss interview in a major Boston morning newspaper last week. I can't remember specifics, but does that count as mainstream?

Not to me, I don't live in Boston. Is it a major market?

Elena, you're riding this really hard. Would any newspaper qualify, in your eyes? And I don't mean that in a snarky way; I'm genuinely wondering. Because it sounds like no.

I guess my position then becomes that I feel WB/ME promotional material, Jossian interviews, and entertainment media magazines/programs should be exactly equivalent to on-air promos.

It's the WB making it official that to me, makes it feel as if it should have the same stamp of approval afforded to on-air promos. If the WB is promoting it, I don't understand why it matters to people who are so spoiler averse that they don't watch the TV promos, read interviews, go to other websites, anyhow, whether the WB has aired this or just announced it.

There was an article in my paper with The Big Spoiler the morning "Chosen" aired. I figured that meant it was pretty widely known.

t shrug I didn't know it.. Or, rather, I did know it, but only because someone told me, thereby spoiling me.

There's a very natural perception that 'if I know it, it must be widely known'. I do it all the time. Doesn't mean it's the case.

I honestly don't know what can be done about this situation. But I think I've said my piece and clarified my position.

If the WB is promoting it

I'm curious -- does Lorne's decapitation fall under that?

I really, really dislike the idea of a thread-specific amendment, because again, what if something like this comes up again?

Not advocating either way, but:

The way to get around this would be to say the casting news can be discussed *in threads dedicated to the show in question,* whatever that show was.