So ... delay the thread ... Wonderfalls, after all, is part of the impetus. If he hadn't left Angel, his stuff would have mostly just fallen in there.

But I, for one, know I'm going to want to talk about Wonderfalls, and it seemed reasonable to me to assume I wouldn't be the only one. If there is demand, there will be volume.

It's just that there's no Wonderfalls yet.

On my own, I don't see the point of a Tim thread

On my own, I don't see the point of Bitches, Sang Sacre, Spoilers Light, and the Music and Movies threads. I don't post there.

And yet, there they are.

The thing is, Tim works on lots of projects. He was, until recently, writing the screenplay for Artemis Fowl (and is not, anymore).

Tim's a busy bee, and I'm betting that in the coming years, there will be lots to talk about in regards to our Tim.

As for the contention that it would be very sad if there were few posts in the thread, I worry not. Angel will become stagnant over the Summer, as is the way during hiatus, and that's not a dishonor to the show.

Also, see the Scotch tape analogy.

Furthermore, the way a new thread starts is that the first two hundred posts are number slutting and claiming the love of New Thread Smell, and then someone will bring something up that's thread related (for example, Tim's X-Files ep, "Mind's Eye") and the discussion will turn to whether rottweillers would make adequate seeing eye dogs for the next 150 posts, and then we'll be waxing poetic about hot dogs for the next 80 posts, which will then turn into porn, before the conversation goes back to Tim.

This is the Buffista Way. We're off-topic a goodly amount of time, in all the threads.

How often is Spike's Bitches really about Spike? It's more about the Bitches, themselves.

Sometimes the conversation will be about Tim's works, sometimes it will be centered on the fans of Tim's works. Each thread has a subcommunity within. I think some folks are of the TWoP mind on this. We don't work that way. Firefly became the defacto Miracles thread for example. That wasn't really a Big.

There's a lot to discuss in terms of Tim's work. I believe he has become as prolific an entity as Joss, at least from where I'm standing, and he's a young man with oodles of talent and a lot on the table. He's very much worthy of his own thread, hence the proposal.

I'm not saying that people can help being unclear, just that there's a big, unavoidable gray area between "Tim posts here and he's a cool guy" and "Tim is a great writer and director, perhaps the best ever to work for ME". I'm entirely comfortable with a thread created based on the latter opinion, and I'm entirely uncomfortable with a thread created based on the former.

It seems to me that you're saying you want the thread, but only if other people want it for the same reasons you do, which I feel is a bit unfair.

IMO, if we're all agreed on the "what" of a Tim thread (that it would be a thread dedicated to the discussion of Tim Minear's work in film and television), the "why" is irrelevant.

(I'm all for cleaning up the BtVS threads. Shouldn't the Firefly threads wait 'til the UnAms are done with them?)

Yes, as should the cleaning up of the Buffy threads. Er, and plus this topic probably belongs in Bureaucracy.

After reding all the postings from Tim over the last couple of years, I came to the conclusion he has a sense of humor and wonder. This also explains why he and JW got together for projects.

While reading all the talk about how having a place to discuss Tims work would be a nirvana, I immediately proposed Minearvana, as it is just snarkworty enough for what I observed to be Tim's POV.

Hey, He stopped in for a single post to tell us how much he loved the last Angel thread title.

I think "Minearverse" sounds a little too "Buffyverse" so again I vote for Minearvana.

t shrug Unless something better shows up... :)

Minearvana 1: Goats ahoy! (Example, not a proposal)
A forum in which we discuss past and present projects involving Tim Minear, including such projects as Buffy, Angel, Firefly and Wonder Falls.

I like the lack of Monkeys in that proposed thread title. . . but perhaps there should be more beagles?

Beagles ahoy? Sounds Enterprise-ing...

We could add "And Tim's Beagle" to the description...

Does it not seem clear? Should I reword it? It seems that quite a few folks have voiced this concern, so I'm worried that I was too vague.

Reasons being specific are of the good! In the final proposal, I would like to see:

• Purpose of this thread, and because of all the confusion, What This Thread Is Not. (FWIW, I think your first proposal said all-Tim-all-the-time, which might be what the confusion comes from.)
  
• proposed spoiler rules
  
• date of creation, should it pass

Because I could live with a Wonder Falls thread, but only if the thread were going to be created on, I don't know, December 1. Not more than 6 months before the show begins, and long before we have anything but the basic premise to talk about.

In fact, IIRC, there were some comments made earlier that we shouldn't even have to vote on this, or that the idea of voting on it would be some sort of an insult to Tim. This bothers me.

Concur. I can see merits in the argument "He's a Buffista, so he should get a thread", but I don't think being a Buffista trumps our hard-won procedures.

I'm fearful of Work-of-Tim becoming Fridge-of-Tim in no small part because what if there's another influx? It would be very easy for a newbie, even a nice, not-crazy newbie, to misconstrue a Work thread as a Fridge thread, and the subculture of the thread could easily get icky, especially if there isn't enough non-icky talk to drown out the icky. Making Work-of-Tim more explicitly This Work (Wonder Falls) and a little bit of ohbythewayotherTimshowstoo makes me feel better about it.

This is the Buffista Way. We're off-topic a goodly amount of time, in all the threads.

I'm not convinced that exponential natter is the Buffista way, or anyway, we already have a Natter thread. (Two, really -- Bitches is basically TMI Natter.) I don't want to create a thread on the expectation that it will be 90% natter, which is why I still think the early creation of Firefly thread was (in retrospect) a bad idea.

I mean, a Wonder Falls thread? Okay, that's fine by me, I guess. But not a Natter A Lot And Possibly Eventually Wonder Falls thread.

I'm not convinced that exponential natter is the Buffista way, or anyway, we already have a Natter thread. (Two, really -- Bitches is basically TMI Natter.)

Really, 4, because Atlantic Canadians and UnAmericans have their own subculture and posters-- and I am pretty sure we can't clean them in with the rest of the Buffy threads-- although this is neither here nor there and not part of this proposal.