Does it not seem clear? Should I reword it? It seems that quite a few folks have voiced this concern, so I'm worried that I was too vague.

Reasons being specific are of the good! In the final proposal, I would like to see:

• Purpose of this thread, and because of all the confusion, What This Thread Is Not. (FWIW, I think your first proposal said all-Tim-all-the-time, which might be what the confusion comes from.)
  
• proposed spoiler rules
  
• date of creation, should it pass

Because I could live with a Wonder Falls thread, but only if the thread were going to be created on, I don't know, December 1. Not more than 6 months before the show begins, and long before we have anything but the basic premise to talk about.

In fact, IIRC, there were some comments made earlier that we shouldn't even have to vote on this, or that the idea of voting on it would be some sort of an insult to Tim. This bothers me.

Concur. I can see merits in the argument "He's a Buffista, so he should get a thread", but I don't think being a Buffista trumps our hard-won procedures.

I'm fearful of Work-of-Tim becoming Fridge-of-Tim in no small part because what if there's another influx? It would be very easy for a newbie, even a nice, not-crazy newbie, to misconstrue a Work thread as a Fridge thread, and the subculture of the thread could easily get icky, especially if there isn't enough non-icky talk to drown out the icky. Making Work-of-Tim more explicitly This Work (Wonder Falls) and a little bit of ohbythewayotherTimshowstoo makes me feel better about it.

This is the Buffista Way. We're off-topic a goodly amount of time, in all the threads.

I'm not convinced that exponential natter is the Buffista way, or anyway, we already have a Natter thread. (Two, really -- Bitches is basically TMI Natter.) I don't want to create a thread on the expectation that it will be 90% natter, which is why I still think the early creation of Firefly thread was (in retrospect) a bad idea.

I mean, a Wonder Falls thread? Okay, that's fine by me, I guess. But not a Natter A Lot And Possibly Eventually Wonder Falls thread.

I'm not convinced that exponential natter is the Buffista way, or anyway, we already have a Natter thread. (Two, really -- Bitches is basically TMI Natter.)

Really, 4, because Atlantic Canadians and UnAmericans have their own subculture and posters-- and I am pretty sure we can't clean them in with the rest of the Buffy threads-- although this is neither here nor there and not part of this proposal.

I'm fearful of Work-of-Tim becoming Fridge-of-Tim in no small part because what if there's another influx?

It doesn't have to become Fridge-of-Tim if we don't let it, period. Make the slug clear. Chide gently. We are pretty good at staying away from private lives of others, and we can keep being so.

I want to know what's in ita's fridge.

There are some fridge-type things that Minear brings up about himself. I'm not putting any language in the proposal that dictates what can and cannot be discussed on-thread.

The only problem with NAFDA, spoilers and a multi-show thread is the multi-network problem. Where, just to put forth a wholly hypothetical situation, Angel was on one network and Firefly on another, leaving a few folks with access to one but not the other. A Tim thread, or an alum thread would almost certainly cross networks. That would mean if it were NAFDA altogether for all the shows included, some of us would be unable to post and read that thread.

So I think, though I support a Timwork thread on the basis of merit, I would prefer individual show threads as they arise. Was it such a tragedy to have Firefly while the show was on? Is it terrible that it's still there when the show is not? I think it's okay.

I'm not putting any language in the proposal that dictates what can and cannot be discussed on-thread.

Er, isn't that what we have in every thread's language except Natter? I mean, we're disobedient on a regular basis, but eventually we guiltily return to the subject at hand. The language of the thread's final proposal will create the mood of the thread, if/when it's created; and the mood at the thread's creation will affect who wants to subscribe to it; how people initially interact on-thread; and what topics people do and don't bring up (at first, anyway).

Also, Allyson, have you given any thought to candy's question about when the thread would be created? Do you intend that it be created immediately?

Er, isn't that what we have in every thread's language except Natter?

What I'm saying is, if someone happens to wonder if Tim was eating of the psychedelic mushrooms when he wrote an ep, that's not falling under refrigerator. We can dictate whether a thread is American or unAmerican, Natter or non-Natter, but other than that, I'm not putting language into "law" about whether one can ask if Tim is married, or if he wears socks with birkenstocks.

Also, Allyson, have you given any thought to candy's question about when the thread would be created?

I am still mulling it around, but my thought was that August would be good, since we'll be getting a lot more news about Fall teevee line-ups, and it could coincide with the consolidation or closing of threads.

But that's mulling. I've not thought more on it, because some asswipe thinks I should be doing work on the day before a long weekend, simply because I'm getting paid. The nerve.

August is actually a very reasonable start date for the thread, as that's when the fall season goes into production. I can't swear by it, but Wonder Falls will also probably be shooting the first thirteen eps around then too.

involving Tim Minear, including such projects as Buffy, Angel, Firefly and Wonder Falls.

Just a note. Tim's never, to my knowledge, written or directed BtVS.

Still would like to put Wonder Falls forward, as Angel and Firefly are covered well elsewhere on the site.

Hmm. And here I thought Tim came from Buffy. He's so integrated, it feels like he's always been with ME.

I don't know everything, that's why I have the Buffistas.