I'm not seeing how this point is connected to my point, that it would be helpful to focus on the thread suggested--one devoted to Tim's works--rather than the one that hasn't been suggested--one devoted to him as a person. Can you explain the connection to me?

I think it is worthwhile to discuss what the thread is likely to be, whatever its title. Personally, I doubt we'll be discussing the contents of Tim's fridge. But it's a fair concern, I think.

It does seem to me that the impetus for this thread is stemming more from Tim as a person than from the feeling we'll want and need a place to discuss certain things. In fact, IIRC, there were some comments made earlier that we shouldn't even have to vote on this, or that the idea of voting on it would be some sort of an insult to Tim. This bothers me.

Someone else earlier pointed out that very little discussion is restricted around here, beyond reasons of NAFDA and the occasional nattering in Site threads.

No. What I was pointing out was that I thought the question on whether discussion of Tim-written Angel episodes would be forbidden in the Angel thread was an unfair question. That sort of question gets trotted out every time someone proposes a thread (i.e. if we have music thread, will music be forbidden from Natter). My point was, I believe that sort of questioning is a general thread-squelching tool, and doesn't address a real life problem here in Buffistaville. That's far, far away from someone worrying that the thread is going to turn into a discussion of Minear as a person.

If most of us vote for the thread that has been suggested, but do it because what we want is the thread that hasn't been suggested, isn't the thread pretty much going to become the unsuggested one?

But who wants that? Maybe in a Bizarro Buffistaverse, people would rather have a "what is Tim wearing/who is Tim doing thread" - but here and now, are you seriously worried that Buffistas would prefer that to a topic-based discussion thread? I mean honestly, are you concerned that's what Buffistas are going to be wishing for a dish-the-dirt thread while they're clicking on the "yes" ballot checkbox for a discuss-the-works-of-Tim-Minear thread?

I think this is borrowing trouble, and I think it's the sort of thinking that makes all of our bureaucratic discussions devolve into head-thunking sessions.

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I'm okay with the idea of honoring one of our own. I'm just not okay with the idea of honoring one of our own with a thread.

Different strokes, I guess, because I feel exactly the opposite -- it's precisely because I consider Tim to be a Buffista, not an honorary Buffista, or a VIP who drops by, or somesuch, that I want him to have a thread. Same as I'd want a Scrappy thread, or a Victor thread, if they hit the screenwriting jackpot.

Same as I'd want a Scrappy thread, or a Victor thread, if they hit the screenwriting jackpot.

And the ita thread, should someone decide that yes, ita deserves her own show.

Personally, I doubt we'll be discussing the contents of Tim's fridge. But it's a fair concern, I think.

I'm betting there's goat cheese. And probably beer.

And the ita thread, should someone decide that yes, ita deserves her own show.

I think I decided this years ago, but that's another discussion... (:

I totally agree with all the things people have said about Tim, and most of the reasons for giving him a thread. And I think any way to honor him on this board is more than deserved. But I'm concerned about how much conversation there will be to sustain a thread just for Tim. And, imo, a struggling, empty thread with Tim's name on it is not going to be much of an honor.

Correct me if I'm wrong, because I am still new here, but didn't many of the threads get created because conversation on certain topics seemed to merit their own thread? I admit to not reading every post on this board, but I haven't seen overwhelming discussion about Tim, beagles or Wonderfalls on Natter or on the show threads and other than the virtuous idea of giving props to a Buffista and a creative genius, is a thread really necessary at this time?

I would humbly suggest that we start with an alum thread, and if the Tim talk dominates we could spin off his own thread. And an alum thread is still a very appropriate forum to talk about Tim and his projects without it getting swallowed up in Natter or FF or Angel.

Someone else earlier pointed out that very little discussion is restricted around here, beyond reasons of NAFDA and the occasional nattering in Site threads. If most of us vote for the thread that has been suggested, but do it because what we want is the thread that hasn't been suggested, isn't the thread pretty much going to become the unsuggested one?

But no one seems to want this "I Love Tim as a Person, Screw his Work!" Thread. In fact, people seem to be either very strongly against it or to consider the suggestion so off-base as to discount it. So again, I don't think there's a strong connection between the concern you raise and the point I was trying to make.

In fact, IIRC, there were some comments made earlier that we shouldn't even have to vote on this, or that the idea of voting on it would be some sort of an insult to Tim. This bothers me.

I think that ANY new thread should be discussed before it's begun. Including this one. But that's just me.

Okay, this is where I am:

On my own, I don't see the point of a Tim thread, am likely to vote against it, and probably won't post there because all I would have to say is "wait, did Tim write that?".

In terms of thread proliferation, though, I I know I've said (and believe) that if even 5 people want a thread and will post there, and it isn't impossible for tech reasons, they should have it. And it's clear that more than 5 people want a dedicated place to talk about Tim's works. So in that sense, I hope the thread is a success.

And I think our next 2 votes should be a)cleaning up the Buffy/Firefly threads and b)starting a general ME alumni thread. Not necessarily in that order.

Seems to me, Tim's a Buffista and he does good work, and lots of Buffistas want to talk about it. Rather than a general alum thread, or trying to control what, particularly, is posted in the thread, wouldn't it be perfectly okay to have a Tim thread, but also, if there is any downtime or the conversation rolls that way, talk about other alum stuff in there if someone wants to? I'm not really seeing the problem with this thread idea as long as the bandwidth will support its existence.

didn't many of the threads get created because conversation on certain topics seemed to merit their own thread? I admit to not reading every post on this board, but I haven't seen overwhelming discussion about Tim, beagles or Wonderfalls on Natter or on the show threads and other than the virtuous idea of giving props to a Buffista and a creative genius, is a thread really necessary at this time?

This is also one of my problems, Wolf, and it's why I would rather we started an alum thread and broke out Tim if necessary. But it seems like the current proposal is to honor Tim now.