I'll be voting no. Not on the pros and cons of a Minear thread, but because we need a more thorough look at threads going forward.

As has been mentioned from time to time, there's a lot of change in the MEverse. Firefly is gone. Buffy is gone. That means we should get rid of some threads (not mentioning any names in particular), change names of others. And while we're at it, see if we want to add threads (my hobbyhorse would be a Travel thread to make it easier to set up mini-F2Fs when Buffistas travel).

I don't object to a Minear thread on the merits. I just don't think a piecemeal approach to threads is the way to go right now.

Q: How will Minear feel

I don't know. I think thread title should be chosen carefully. The Minearverse, for example, is about the works, and not about the man. Like The Jossverse in other Media isn't about whether Joss wears Spiderman underoos. It's about his work.

Dana's comment about thread proliferation is something that has been on my mind.

I think, after this vote, I'll be proposing a Spring cleaning. Firefly is now unAmerican, for example. The various Buffy threads can be consolidated.

(If they fall into "untouchable" until September, that's good timing, as the new television season starts about then, and so it will make sense to end discussion in current Buffy threads at that time)

I'm also worried that even though "works of Tim Minear" is in the title, the thread will devolve into what he wore to dinner, etc.

Unless someone is keeping a Big Secret, I have no idea what the contents of Tim's refrigerator is, and I'd be uncomfortable speculating what he may or may not do in his unWrite-y time. This is strictly about works. Mind's Eye, Zorro, Lois and Clark, and all the rest are fair game.

But since his new show won't happen until January and we already have threads to cover the most current work of TM, maybe we should wait.

candyb, yeah, big point there. The reason we needed a 2nd Firefly thread was that we spent 3/4 of the first one talking about tangential issues, long before the show aired. I liked that talk, but it could have happened in Natter.

Where have we talked about Tim's works in the past? Firefly thread, Angel thread. (Once in Angel Spoilers Lite, which was a sign of the apocalypse.) Lois & Clark we've talked about in Natter. XF in several threads, but mostly I think in Natter. That short-lived show Strange World, in Natter and a little bit in Angel thread, although the Angel thread parts were direct dialogue with him, and he was in the Angel thread at the time.

If we had a Works of Tim thread, would we be disallowed from discussing episodes Tim has written in the Angel thread?

I just have a bad feeling that a Works of Tim thread would be filling a much-needed gap, and I want to figure out how (if) it's going to fit in advance.

Firefly is now unAmerican, for example.

DVDs!

Setting aside the fact that he posts here -- which could change at any time -- why Tim? Why not Jane Espenson or David Greenwalt or David Fury or Ultimate Drew or even Joss Whedon? Or for that matter, why not Eliza Dushku or Seth Green?

Because ultimately, Tim has paid us a great deal of attention whereas other writers and actors have not. (Joss I see seperately, however, as the bulk of this board IS a giant Joss thread.) I think if, say, Ultimate Drew popped by fairly regularly, we'd be having this discussion about him. Or Fury. Or Nicholas Brendon. Or whomever.

That being said, perhaps we can find a compromise, something like, "Wonder Falls and other Works of Minear." That way, we have the reach to go back to chat about old Lois & Clark episodes if we feel like it, or switch gears if Wonder Falls doesn't fly, but is still very clearly not skewed to the "Secret Life of Tim Minear and his Secret Celebrity Lovers." Also, puts the current project forward, which I think would be appreciated.

Secret Life of Tim Minear and his Secret Celebrity Lovers.

This is funny.

I just have a bad feeling that a Works of Tim thread would be filling a much-needed gap, and I want to figure out how (if) it's going to fit in advance.

Hmm. If we DO decide to do this, can we agree to wait until closer to Wonder Falls? I mean, the vast majority of Tim Talk happening now wouold probably still revolve around Angel until next season, any way.

I have to admit, if I were an ME writer, I'd take the people who named a thread named after my work a lot more seriously than ones who'd fannishly named one after me peronally. I do think the thread should be a nod to Tim and the fact that he's posted with us for several years. But he might feel more inclined to post if at least the header was about work, not him personally.

I feel strongly that it should be a show and/or Collected Works thread, rather than a person thread. It really bothers me, the idea that we worship the person rather than the content that person produces. Crosses that line in my brain that I don't like to cross.

Yep. I'd prefer to see a show thread, with other works and other alum stuff incorporated. For one thing, unless and until Joss has another big project in the offing (other than the one currently rumored, which already has a thread), I don't see enough going on with other alum to sustain a thread. I'm also not sure that a Tim thread that's not a show thread will really get that much action either. And that would make me sadder than no thread at all, to see it languishing.

One of the things that's so cool about Tim coming here and posting is that he really is one of us when he's here - we don't have a VIP archive, his posts aren't singled out and in fourteen point bold. I think an all-Tim, all-the-time thread is moving away from this. A general alum thread, which I suspect would be named in some way for Tim anyway, would be a better fit. And when Wonder Falls actually comes on the air, we'll have a better idea if it needs a thread separate from that.

How far in advance did the Firefly thread start? There was like, two-thousand posts before the show even aired.

If we had a thread dedicated to the wonders of Scotch tape, Buffistas would have 900 posts in 12 hours.

I mean, sure, wait until closer to the show airs, but I dont think lack of conversation is ever a problem, here.