Giles: I'm sure we're all perfectly safe. Dawn: We're safe. Right. And Spike built a robot Buffy to play checkers with. Tara: It sounded convincing when I thought it.

'Dirty Girls'


Goodbye and Good Riddance 2020: Do Not Taunt Happy Fun Year  

Take stock, reflect, butch, moan, vent. We are all here for it.


sj - Dec 06, 2020 11:05:58 am PST #30 of 127
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

I will be taking a break from here as well. This is also my safe space, but I do not currently feel safe here. If I cannot bring up something that genuinely hurts me, than this is not the place for me at the moment. I have enough stress at the moment as well.

I do apologize that this has taken up so much space in this particular thread.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 06, 2020 11:53:07 am PST #31 of 127
What is even happening?

Also, I find all of it inappropriate to the spirit of the thread.

I'm hitting this first, because I completely agree with you on this, but I want to respond and don't want to burden another thread with it. There is no place else to put it.

I rarely do Twitter so didn't even know about the people there discussing diaperdon as incontinence. Yes, I agree that would be inappropriate, although I hadn't seen it. I don't really think I should be either grouped with these people, or blamed for their behavior.

Not one of us grouped you or Katerina Bee with those people. I hope you go back at look at how polite and gentle everyone tried to be with you. I feel you've lost sight of that in the heat of the moment, but it's all there.

I provided "Diaper Don" context to you because I figured there was no way in hell either of you could have been familiar with it and still have proceeded to either bring it here (KB), or joke-away sj's objection to it being brought here (Laura).

To be blunt, I was giving you a second bite at the apology apple, because I thought you both got flustered and botched the first one. KB turned the first bite into, "Consider me schooled," and you turned into something that ended along the lines of: "I am a person with feelings too."

I know you are hurt, and I am sorry you are hurt.

I am disappointed, because this conversation feels like sj said, "Hey, you're stepping on my foot," and your response was, "I'm upset you told me I'm stepping on your foot."

I will let sj speak for herself if she so chooses, but I want you to think about the sj you have known here for 15 years (or more?). Like you, she does not get involved in this stuff.

Personally, this is my safe no conflict zone, so I need to take a social media break for a while. I have enough stress in my life and don't need any more. Not stomping off, but really need to take a break.

I think this is everyone's safe space. You're about the kindest, least confrontational Buffista we have, Laura. It's just that sj is, too. It must have taken a lot for her to speak up. I feel her no-conflict zone was violated, when her objections were brushed aside instead of listened to.


Topic!Cindy - Dec 06, 2020 11:54:43 am PST #32 of 127
What is even happening?

And I should have refreshed before posting. sj, I see your post. I am sorry you feel that way.


Steph L. - Dec 06, 2020 1:48:09 pm PST #33 of 127
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

the person who left before me wrote CROATOAN on the whiteboard on his way out.

I fucking love this.


Fred Pete - Dec 07, 2020 6:03:23 am PST #34 of 127
Ann, that's a ferret.

the person who left before me wrote CROATOAN on the whiteboard on his way out.

You have given me an idea.

For me, 2020 was the year that might have been. I dipped my toe into the dating pool in late 2019 after the property settlement was signed. The divorce became final at the end of January. (I found out via text from my lawyer. At the time, I was sitting on a cruise ship in the Caribbean.) So I was ready to start building a life again.

And then the lockdown hit. I've been more or less a hermit since the middle of March, at least as far as in-person interaction goes. I'm strongly introverted, so it wasn't the worst thing in the world for me -- but I'm feeling more and more alone in the world.

The CIDP is under control, more or less. The infusions have helped to repair some of the nerve damage. Even without the braces, I can stand still -- when I was diagnosed, I couldn't. I also don't use the cane for short distances, which is most of the time. But I still have nerve damage in my feet, and it's doubtful whether I'll ever be able to run again. And whether it's the CIDP or the lack of moving around, I tire very quickly when I try to walk anywhere.

Finally, I'm not sure whether this last belongs in 2020 or 2021, but I'm retiring after 32 years of working for the federal government. My last day is December 31. So I'll have to go in to the office for at least one day to clean out my office.


Glamcookie - Dec 07, 2020 7:06:59 am PST #35 of 127
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

It seems some have missed the important memo regarding impact > intent. It doesn’t matter if you didn’t mean to hurt someone with your words. The fact is that you did. The proper response is, “I’m so sorry I hurt you. Thank you for letting me know why my words were hurtful so that I won’t continue to cause harm, however unintentionally. I know it wasn’t easy to speak up and I appreciate you taking the time.” I’m really surprised and sad this wasn’t the first response, honestly. We all have a lot to learn and we all make mistakes. We show who we truly are by how we handle those mistakes. I’m sorry, sj, and I hope it was okay for me to speak up.

I was pointed here years back to watch and learn and I love it: [link]


Glamcookie - Dec 07, 2020 7:11:33 am PST #36 of 127
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

One more thing for future reference: deleting posts in a crucial conversation like this one defeats the work put in by folks to educate. The conversation should be preserved to continue the education. I’ve stepped in it many times and fully expect that I will again. I’m grateful for folks in the affected communities who are willing to educate me.


Katerina Bee - Dec 07, 2020 9:40:06 am PST #37 of 127
Herding cats for fun

Oh good. More input about my bad behavior. This has gone on for days. It’s too much. Public humiliation is the worst thing that can happen to me, so consider my ass well kicked.

I’ll be leaving now.


Amy - Dec 07, 2020 10:20:42 am PST #38 of 127
Because books.

Whether or not this conversation is relevant, it really doesn't belong in this thread. Everyone has said their piece, and I think it would be a good idea to let it go (or discuss it elsewhere). I'd like everybody to feel they can come here and say goodbye to one of the shittiest, scariest years we've ever known. And maybe remember that the whole world is one big raw nerve right now, and we love each other even when we're all raw and hurting, too.


Laura - Dec 07, 2020 10:25:22 am PST #39 of 127
Our wings are not tired.

My horrible offense was saying "calling Donald Trump a baby is an insult to babies". I was then piled on by several people. Yes, I feel terrible when anyone I love, which incudes Buffistas, is hurt by my words. No, I do not feel my words warranted the attacks that followed.

Apparently my relationship with Buffistas is another casualty of 2020. Call me a snowflake, but I can't stay where I feel so attacked.