When we landed here you said you needed a few days to get space worthy again and is there somethin' wrong with your bunk?

Mal ,'Out Of Gas'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - May 07, 2021 5:47:28 pm PDT #6188 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

The Cincinnati Hoarding guy came out to check out the scary moldy office, and I was feeling so crappy still after my vaccine shot that I stayed in bed, so I wasn't involved (I really wasn't avoid-y; I have a fever and everything, woo, immune system). Tim said the guy was very nice and that the guy also said he wouldn't even call the office "hoarding," that he would call it "extremely cluttered." And my reaction was basically, where do you draw the line on that one? When does it go from extremely cluttered into hoarding? Literally, I couldn't walk more than 2-3 feet into the room. A rose by any other name, etc.

So they're going to email Tim with an estimate to clean out the office and treat the mold, and to basically get rid of 95% of the stuff in our horrific basement and treat whatever mold they find there (it's an unfinished basement that's totally underground; it's going to have mold).

After all that happens, then we need a cleaning service to deep-clean the house, and we go from there. Though we still have too much clutter in the rest of the house, and that's going to be a problem if we don't come up with a plan for it. (Which, I guess, that plan should basically be: Get Rid Of 50% Of Your Shit.)


Jesse - May 07, 2021 5:54:08 pm PDT #6189 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

Tim said the guy was very nice and that the guy also said he wouldn't even call the office "hoarding," that he would call it "extremely cluttered." And my reaction was basically, where do you draw the line on that one?

Just goes to show what people said about they've always seen worse!

And I've watched enough Hoarders on TV to know that just deciding to get rid of stuff isn't a successful long-term plan.... Good luck with all of it.


Topic!Cindy - May 07, 2021 6:01:34 pm PDT #6190 of 30000
What is even happening?

Teppy, I was wondering how you were feeling. Stuff hits me harder, when I have a fever. I'm glad you are taking it easy.

So they're going to email Tim with an estimate to clean out the office and treat the mold, and to basically get rid of 95% of the stuff in our horrific basement and treat whatever mold they find there (it's an unfinished basement that's totally underground; it's going to have mold).

You'll both feel better when this part is out of the way.


Steph L. - May 07, 2021 6:03:45 pm PDT #6191 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

Just goes to show what people said about they've always seen worse!

Well, to be 100% honest, the office is horrible, but it's not like pictures I've seen of hoarding situations. Well, I mean, it's difficult to walk in the room, and there are piles and piles of stuff, along with way too many shipping boxes (Amazon, etc) that he kept because "it's a good box!"* Is there a hoarding continuum? The office would be, like, Hoarding 101: Intro to Hoarding With Optional Mold Lab Credit.

*(I, too, know the appeal of a good box. But there are always other boxes, my dude.)


Steph L. - May 07, 2021 6:06:53 pm PDT #6192 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

(I do have photographic evidence of the hoard in the office, because I have in fact taken pictures of the office before he even started his cursory removal of stuff, and I will never, ever, EVER show them to anyone in my life.)


dcp - May 07, 2021 6:09:29 pm PDT #6193 of 30000
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

kept because "it's a good box!"

I have that problem, too.


Matt the Bruins fan - May 07, 2021 6:10:58 pm PDT #6194 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Oh Sumi, I'm sorry. All the health~ma to you.


Steph L. - May 07, 2021 6:16:18 pm PDT #6195 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

kept because "it's a good box!"

I have that problem, too.

Plus we have a cat, so the living room looks like the UPS store or something with his empty boxes and pile of brown packing paper that he loves more than toys we spent actual money for.

So I get the appeal of a good box.


askye - May 07, 2021 7:24:24 pm PDT #6196 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

sumi I'm sorry to you have cancer. I hope the doctors are able to treat it quickly and relatively well.

I have a grandmother and an aunt who had breast cancer. My grandmother will be 101 this year! she had breast cancer in the 90s and about the same time my Aunt Wanda had breast cancer and she's in her 80s. both them had relatively good experiences with chemo


Dana - May 07, 2021 7:24:29 pm PDT #6197 of 30000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

We have so many Amazon boxes.