Can't even shout, Can't even cry. The Gentlemen are coming by. Looking in windows, knocking on doors. They need to take seven, and they might take yours. Can't call to mom, can't say a word. You're gonna die screaming but you won't be heard.

Dream Girl ,'Bring On The Night'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


msbelle - Aug 29, 2023 8:42:27 pm PDT #24662 of 30000
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

My father recently mentioned that he would like to be buried in a military cemetery. First any of us have heard that, so I’ve told my mother to start gathering the papers needed into a folder so it will all be five since I know it can be a chore.

Interesting about the size for urns. My friend L was a trained chef and had mentioned to me once in her last months that she liked the idea of being in one of her China teapots, but that wouldn’t be big enough I now realize. Maybe urn shopping can be something I do with her husband this weekend.


sarameg - Aug 29, 2023 8:51:31 pm PDT #24663 of 30000

Msbelle, you know you can ping me for volumes too (she probably has something dear of size in her kitchen. Chefs do.)


brenda m - Aug 29, 2023 9:53:34 pm PDT #24664 of 30000
If you're going through hell/keep on going/don't slow down/keep your fear from showing/you might be gone/'fore the devil even knows you're there

I can’t speak to urns, but I’m very glad others can.

We got a little bit of a miracle with my mom, truly. At some point in the 20 years between her mom passing and her, they changed the requirements at the cemetery. It meant that there was a single open space in the old part of the cemetery between where her parents are buried and a big tree. So she is right next to them and near to other friends and family. It would have meant the world to her. (My dad only cared about being near to her, and had no issues with cremation, so as soon as we get back up to Canada, that’s where he will be too.)

I like the idea of JZ on a writing desk watching over her family in that big beautiful house that you both poured so much love into. It doesn’t relieve the rage or the sorrow, but it feels like her. It’s so raw right now that it’s hard to fathom really. But it seems right.


Cashmere - Aug 30, 2023 5:19:16 am PDT #24665 of 30000
Now tagless for your comfort.

It’s so raw right now that it’s hard to fathom really. But it seems right.

This. Right here.

I’m going dark for four days. David, you and Jacqueline and Matilda and Emily and Emmett are in my thoughts every day. I wish you all a bit of peace among the sorrow.


javachik - Aug 30, 2023 6:33:08 am PDT #24666 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Yeah it really raw and quite surreal.


Toddson - Aug 30, 2023 6:43:19 am PDT #24667 of 30000
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

In regard to calculating, a courtesy aunt (she and my mother were best friends in college, were in each other's weddings and remained friends) wanted to wallpaper a room. So she took measurements, did the math; it seemed like a lot of wallpaper, but she took her numbers down to the store. She told the guy how much wallpaper she needed and he said he'd never had that much of any single wallpaper pattern. Ever. So they went over the numbers and finally realized she'd calculated the volume of the room. They redid the math, got a reasonable number and all was well.

As kind of a reverse, I was once talking to some friends and they were trying to figure out how much the carpeting they wanted would be. We figure out the square footage of the room and it seemed to come out really expensive. After some tossing numbers around, we realized that carpeting is sold by the square yard - nine feet - which got it down to, again, something reasonable.


juliana - Aug 30, 2023 7:41:40 am PDT #24668 of 30000
I’d be lying if I didn’t say that I miss them all tonight…

I'm glad the urn math worked out correctly - I was hustling down (so late, I know) to mention that the measurements are exterior & the jar, while quite a lovely blue, is way too small.

So much love and care and yes, worry, for everyone.


Sean K - Aug 30, 2023 8:07:58 am PDT #24669 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

Jumping ahead to ask:

Plei: I would like to be made into bling and ink.

Is bone ash-made tattoo ink vegan if it's made from a human who expressly wanted that to happen with their remains?


Sean K - Aug 30, 2023 8:10:06 am PDT #24670 of 30000
You can't leave me to my own devices; my devices are Nap and Eat. -Zenkitty

And now Jacqueline. It’s not fair.

This is where I’ve been stuck. For weeks. It’s not fucking FAIR. I feel like a little kid stomping my feet in a tantrum, wailing about how it’s just not fair.

I too am really struggling with the not-fairness of it all.


DavidS - Aug 30, 2023 9:13:42 am PDT #24671 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

As of yesterday, Jacqueline is unresponsive. She's not even opening her mouth for me to put a little sponge in her mouth for her to get some water.

Second day in a row that there was no liquid in her canister from the G-tube pump. Which means her body has no hydration and she's shutting down.

Death by kidney failure is generally considered to be very gentle and serene, with the patient even having feelings of euphoria. I hope so.

When my mom was at this stage it took about 3 days. So I think in the next day or two.

We are all ready for her to be released. We are in no way ready for her to be gone.