Please...Wesley...why can't I stay?

Fred ,'A Hole in the World'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


beekaytee - Aug 22, 2023 7:10:49 am PDT #24254 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Tom, I don't read that dream as equating Jacqueline with an object. Not at all. Dreams tend to use tangible objects to represent the underlying intangible emotion. At least, they definitely do for me. And honestly, the camera is what you use to share your creativity and artistic eye with the world, and those are things you certainly have in common with Jacqueline (not the camera, but the creativity and artistic eye). So it makes sense to me, and isn't shallow and selfish at all.

Steph is, as always, wise.

Jung said that everyone and everything in our dreams is an extension of ourselves. In this case, your camera, might, as Steph says, be about communicating your creativity and artistry on an even deeper level than the physical mechanism and product. (photos capturing actual snapshots in time)

The pain of losing the ability to communicate with Jacqueline in that way is hard on all our hearts, in many variations.

I have never seen you be a reductive thinker Tom, so I wonder if imagining the joy your camera might find on adventures you can't see is possible.


beekaytee - Aug 22, 2023 7:11:50 am PDT #24255 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Separately: Yay for Tim agency!


DavidS - Aug 22, 2023 8:02:59 am PDT #24256 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I have a very clear memory of a post Hec wrote, maybe right after "The Body" first aired? About the physical presence of life.

He wrote about his mother dying, and about his son being born, and connected the opposites of what he felt in these life-defining moments. And that post "stayed" with me all those years, so vividly.

Yes, when my mother died I came in and laid my hand on her body, on her chest and felt her stillness. The absence of animating breath. Mortal clay. And when Emmett was born (and also Matilda) I rested my hand on their chests, feeling the rising and falling of their breath, their little hearts that Jacqueline has written so eloquently about.

If you look through enough pictures of me at signal events, you will see me putting my hand on my father's chest at my wedding, or JZ's.


Laura - Aug 22, 2023 8:22:46 am PDT #24257 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Yay Arthur and another step toward Buffista world domination. Good size baby there!

So good to hear that Tim nearly has this ordeal of back pain behind him. Great to hear he is doing well with recovery.

He wrote about his mother dying, and about his son being born, and connected the opposites of what he felt in these life-defining moments.

Yes, I remember this as well. Life defining indeed.

In melancholy news, today is my son Bobby's 29th birthday. He never responded to my reaching out to him a year ago, and I am just not up to being rejected once again this year, so I am not doing anything. It has been 2-1/2 years since I saw him. His first son was only 4 months old then. He'll be 3 in December. I've never seen my second grandson who was born earlier this year. I'm thinking maybe by the time he is 30 he will grow the hell up and realize that his 70 year old mother won't be around forever and actually contact me. eta: He was named after my nephew Bobby who died at 23, and as I sit here with my sister, his mother, I know being estranged isn't the worst thing.


askye - Aug 22, 2023 8:41:53 am PDT #24258 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

I put a card in the mail for Jacqueline and David, it went out...today I think based on when I dropped it in the mail. I posted on facebook because I had really wanted to do something and struggled and then found "effulgent" in a dictionary after the Zoom call and was able to add it in. Felt like the thing that was needed.

I know it's very late in getting this out but I kept struggling with the right thing.

Laura, I'm sorry I can't imagine how hard this is.

Arthur!! YAY baby!


Amy - Aug 22, 2023 9:31:34 am PDT #24259 of 30000
Because books.

Excellent Tim news! Recuperating from surgery like that is no joke.

Chiming in with the others, Tom. I don't think our brains do a lot of subconscious gaslighting or minimizing, and I think substituting JZ (possibly! who really knows?) for something that gives you a beautiful voice in the world is fitting.

In other news, it took a year, but work finally made me cry. (Although it might have more to do with hateful sinuses and a wretched headache.)


Calli - Aug 22, 2023 9:44:04 am PDT #24260 of 30000
I must obey the inscrutable exhortations of my soul—Calvin and Hobbs

Welcome to the world, Arthur! (Sorry about the bits that are on fire, but we’re working on that.)


-t - Aug 22, 2023 10:00:15 am PDT #24261 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Welcome Arthur!

Sorry about the upsetting dream, Tom. Subconsciouses can be right bastards.


Laura - Aug 22, 2023 10:11:42 am PDT #24262 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

(Sorry about the bits that are on fire, but we’re working on that.)

Seriously, I hope some progress is made before he has to step up.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 22, 2023 10:12:55 am PDT #24263 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Welcome Arthur! And congratulations, Debet and family!