I tell you I have this theory. It goes where, you're the one who's not my sister. Cuz mom adopted you from a shoe box full of baby howler monkeys, and never told you cuz it could hurt your delicate baby feelings.

Dawn ,'Selfless'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sue - Aug 22, 2023 3:44:39 am PDT #24249 of 30000
hip deep in pie

Welcome Arthur!


JenP - Aug 22, 2023 4:50:41 am PDT #24250 of 30000

So glad JZ is surrounded by such love.

But I am also the person who wore a shirt of ita's to Black Panther and bought a towel for my friend Jesse's 42nd birthday (though he died a few years before that milestone) that I still use in his honor. Occasional fruit punch for Jaqueline seems appropriate, though perhaps I will stretch the definition to mean "mai tai or other tiki drink.

That's lovely, and I think expanding to mai tais and the like is emminently appropriate.


Tom Scola - Aug 22, 2023 4:56:35 am PDT #24251 of 30000
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Hello new person!

Last night I had an intense anxiety dream where I was freaking out because I left my camera on the subway, and it was gone. And then I lay awake chastising myself: This is how my brain processes grief and loss? It seems shallow and selfish to reduce Jacqueline to an object like that.


Steph L. - Aug 22, 2023 6:06:48 am PDT #24252 of 30000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Tom, I don't read that dream as equating Jacqueline with an object. Not at all. Dreams tend to use tangible objects to represent the underlying intangible emotion. At least, they definitely do for me. And honestly, the camera is what you use to share your creativity and artistic eye with the world, and those are things you certainly have in common with Jacqueline (not the camera, but the creativity and artistic eye). So it makes sense to me, and isn't shallow and selfish at all.


Steph L. - Aug 22, 2023 6:24:46 am PDT #24253 of 30000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

We have an occupational therapist coming to the house today in about an hour, to see what Tim needs help with. I really think they'll be pleasantly surprised at his progress. We have basically all the assistive devices he needs, and he uses them just fine. On the other hand, I'm sure the OT knows all kinds of stuff that we don't know (since it's their job), and maybe they'll have some useful tips for Tim. I just don't foresee the OT coming to the house repeatedly, like the PT.


beekaytee - Aug 22, 2023 7:10:49 am PDT #24254 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Tom, I don't read that dream as equating Jacqueline with an object. Not at all. Dreams tend to use tangible objects to represent the underlying intangible emotion. At least, they definitely do for me. And honestly, the camera is what you use to share your creativity and artistic eye with the world, and those are things you certainly have in common with Jacqueline (not the camera, but the creativity and artistic eye). So it makes sense to me, and isn't shallow and selfish at all.

Steph is, as always, wise.

Jung said that everyone and everything in our dreams is an extension of ourselves. In this case, your camera, might, as Steph says, be about communicating your creativity and artistry on an even deeper level than the physical mechanism and product. (photos capturing actual snapshots in time)

The pain of losing the ability to communicate with Jacqueline in that way is hard on all our hearts, in many variations.

I have never seen you be a reductive thinker Tom, so I wonder if imagining the joy your camera might find on adventures you can't see is possible.


beekaytee - Aug 22, 2023 7:11:50 am PDT #24255 of 30000
Compassionately intolerant

Separately: Yay for Tim agency!


DavidS - Aug 22, 2023 8:02:59 am PDT #24256 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I have a very clear memory of a post Hec wrote, maybe right after "The Body" first aired? About the physical presence of life.

He wrote about his mother dying, and about his son being born, and connected the opposites of what he felt in these life-defining moments. And that post "stayed" with me all those years, so vividly.

Yes, when my mother died I came in and laid my hand on her body, on her chest and felt her stillness. The absence of animating breath. Mortal clay. And when Emmett was born (and also Matilda) I rested my hand on their chests, feeling the rising and falling of their breath, their little hearts that Jacqueline has written so eloquently about.

If you look through enough pictures of me at signal events, you will see me putting my hand on my father's chest at my wedding, or JZ's.


Laura - Aug 22, 2023 8:22:46 am PDT #24257 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Yay Arthur and another step toward Buffista world domination. Good size baby there!

So good to hear that Tim nearly has this ordeal of back pain behind him. Great to hear he is doing well with recovery.

He wrote about his mother dying, and about his son being born, and connected the opposites of what he felt in these life-defining moments.

Yes, I remember this as well. Life defining indeed.

In melancholy news, today is my son Bobby's 29th birthday. He never responded to my reaching out to him a year ago, and I am just not up to being rejected once again this year, so I am not doing anything. It has been 2-1/2 years since I saw him. His first son was only 4 months old then. He'll be 3 in December. I've never seen my second grandson who was born earlier this year. I'm thinking maybe by the time he is 30 he will grow the hell up and realize that his 70 year old mother won't be around forever and actually contact me. eta: He was named after my nephew Bobby who died at 23, and as I sit here with my sister, his mother, I know being estranged isn't the worst thing.


askye - Aug 22, 2023 8:41:53 am PDT #24258 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

I put a card in the mail for Jacqueline and David, it went out...today I think based on when I dropped it in the mail. I posted on facebook because I had really wanted to do something and struggled and then found "effulgent" in a dictionary after the Zoom call and was able to add it in. Felt like the thing that was needed.

I know it's very late in getting this out but I kept struggling with the right thing.

Laura, I'm sorry I can't imagine how hard this is.

Arthur!! YAY baby!