See how I'm not punching him? I think I've grown.

Mal ,'Shindig'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


dcp - Aug 08, 2023 7:36:43 am PDT #23606 of 30000
The more I learn, the more I realize how little I know.

NG (Nasogastric) Tube down Jacqueline's nose which I promised her we would remove at night so she could sleep

In 2003, when my grandmother was in ICU with (among other things) a bleed in her stomach, she had an NG tube for 24 hours to help clear the blood out. She had to be restrained to keep her from pulling the NG tube out. Every time she woke up, I had to help her re-orient, and then she would beg me to "let her loose" until she exhausted herself and fell asleep for another half-hour. I think that was the longest night of my life.

...everything I needed to know...I know what she wants....

Sounds like you are doing better than most would in this situation. I am impressed.


Laura - Aug 08, 2023 7:39:59 am PDT #23607 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

I want to say that she's lucky to have you, but I know she'd do the same for you. I guess I'm glad you have each other.

Exactly this. When I have taken care of ill loved ones I knew they would do the same for me, and often reminded them of that fact.


Matt the Bruins fan - Aug 08, 2023 8:42:19 am PDT #23608 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Yes. During my Dad's final hospitalization he apologized for being a burden, and I told him he definitely wasn't that. When someone you love is in dire straits, you want to do everything you can for them.


askye - Aug 08, 2023 8:50:44 am PDT #23609 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

You are both lucky to have each other. I hope you have someone to lean on during this and where you can take some time for yourself to regroup.

Talking to that many doctors and specialists is so draining. I hate that they can't just be more direct about options and recommendations.


-t - Aug 08, 2023 8:55:30 am PDT #23610 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Man, that is a lot of work on top of the emotional toll. And physical toll. It's just a lot all around.


javachik - Aug 08, 2023 9:16:11 am PDT #23611 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

I hope you don’t have to advocate too hard, David, to attain what should 100% be Jacqueline’s right to determine. A decision should bring peace and acceptance, not be an invitation for strangers, even if they’re medical professionals, to insert themselves.

Navigating all that you are is so hard, and I’m sorry you and JZ are having to.


DavidS - Aug 08, 2023 9:21:29 am PDT #23612 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

She had to be restrained to keep her from pulling the NG tube out. Every time she woke up, I had to help her re-orient, and then she would beg me to "let her loose" until she exhausted herself and fell asleep for another half-hour. I think that was the longest night of my life.

Time for another chapter in the story or Nurse Renee, the Fucking Champ of All Nurses.

As you recall, starting the NG tube on Jacqueline was a torturous nightmare. Three failed attempts by two other nurses was like watching Jacqueline get waterboarded while somebody jabbed a sharp implement up her nose.

Nurse Renee stepped up with her 35 years of experience, pulling the "million dollar tube" out of the back closet, looked Jacqueline in the eye and saying, "I'm very confident that I can place this tube and it won't hurt." And then she did.

So the NG tube is pumping away, sucking greenish brownish gunkish out of Jacqueline's body and off to a discrete canister and Jacqueline falls asleep. (This was on Sunday - the same day we'd shown up at the ER). So I thought that was a good time for me to make a run home and get her phone charger and pajamas and grab some food for myself then return.

I came back and Jacqueline was sitting up and no tube, and looked much better with her belly somewhat deflated. And I thought, "Okay, I guess they got it all out."

Then her nurse came in and said, "Oh. Who took your tube out?"

And Jacqueline said, "I did. When I woke up I panicked and pulled out my tube."

Me: "What? Are you fucking kidding me? After all that work to get it in, after watching you suffer through all that and all you had to do was let it finish!"

Jacqueline: "I'm sorry. You know I spent years typing up doctor notes and every time I typed up 'patient self-extubated' I'd think, 'That's stupid! Why would they do that'."

Now let's do a quick quiz and see how well you all know me.

Did I at this point take a deep breath, regroup and calmly assure my wife that it was a perfectly understandable instinctive response and we'll figure out what to do next... Or ...Did I start to berate my terminally ill wife on her hospital bed with my very sharp tongue despite my assurances that I would stop doing that.

If you chose sharp tongued beration you will know that I am not a fully actualized human being quite as yet.

Here Dear Reader, I will share Jacqueline's gentlest riposte ever. Delivered with absolutely no snark or anger, and perhaps even a touch of kindness.

JZ: "Oh, look it's 8 o'clock. Visiting hours are over."

...to be continued...


DavidS - Aug 08, 2023 9:27:01 am PDT #23613 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

I hope you don’t have to advocate too hard, David, to attain what should 100% be Jacqueline’s right to determine. A decision should bring peace and acceptance, not be an invitation for strangers, even if they’re medical professionals, to insert themselves.

They were completely willing to let us decide our process but it took a lot of work guiding me through the medical issues in every branch of the pathways. Each choice had complications and nuances that were hard to grasp. And I just didn't know what to ask or how to ask it at first. That's why it took so long.

I could have just told them to take out the NG Tube and they would have. But there were reasons to keep it in as well as long as she was in hospital.


Steph L. - Aug 08, 2023 9:33:47 am PDT #23614 of 30000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

Jacqueline's gentlest riposte ever. Delivered with absolutely no snark or anger, and perhaps even a touch of kindness... JZ: "Oh, look it's 8 o'clock. Visiting hours are over."

She's marvelous.

Did I start to berate my terminally ill wife on her hospital bed with my very sharp tongue despite my assurances that I would stop doing that.

If you chose sharp tongued beration you will know that I am not a fully actualized human being quite as yet.

I have a few stories (about me) from Tim's current hospitalization that I will probably never share, because I'm ashamed at how strongly they suggest that I am actually possessed by a demon. If I were yelling at negligent staff, that would be one thing. But chastising the actual patient who was struggling with a pain level of 7 and fully doped up on IV dilaudid was...not my finest hour.


JenP - Aug 08, 2023 9:41:37 am PDT #23615 of 30000

If you chose sharp tongued beration you will know that I am not a fully actualized human being quite as yet.

Who among us is, my friend.

Jacqueline's gentlest riposte ever. Delivered with absolutely no snark or anger, and perhaps even a touch of kindness... JZ: "Oh, look it's 8 o'clock. Visiting hours are over."

She's marvelous.

Still and always.