I may be love's bitch, but at least I'm man enough to admit it.

Spike ,'Sleeper'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Laura - Jul 09, 2022 10:02:41 am PDT #16193 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Bummer, indeed!

I've also done a lot of skimming. Last week's trip to Florida and back here has just added a bunch of stuff to my already too crowded schedule.

~ma and love to all.

Wow, David. I'm glad some of the blanks were filled in for you. We never really know all that our parents are going through, although many of them do try and do the best they can with the skill set they have, no matter how deficient.

Brendon had major issues with his mother and was an adult before he had a clue how ill-prepared she was for being a parent. The woman's birth parents were divorced in 1945 and dad got custody because mom was an alcoholic. Then she was adopted at 2 and her dad was a horrible person, and her mom an emotionally abusive alcoholic. Then at 18 she escaped by marrying, and he went to Vietnam and came home an alcoholic. She raised the 4 kids with zero role models and no help at all from her husband. He is much more understanding of her burdens now. I believe part of the reason he was such an extraordinary father to our boys was he never wanted to be so completely incompetent as his parents. They didn't even realize he hadn't graduated HS when they moved to Florida from Nebraska. He took the bus himself and enrolled. Parents!


Steph L. - Jul 09, 2022 11:32:28 am PDT #16194 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

She’s positive and got a rental car to drive home to Colorado. I think I’m going to head home today, dang it.


Dana - Jul 09, 2022 11:41:22 am PDT #16195 of 30000
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Aw, Steph. Having been in that situation pretty recently, it sucks. I was lucky that I was in a big house where it was easy for me to isolate.


amyparker - Jul 09, 2022 12:14:20 pm PDT #16196 of 30000
You've got friends to have good times with. When you need to share the trauma of a badly-written book with someone, that's when you go to family.

Aw, Teppy, that stinks on ice. I'm sorry. I hope your friend has an easy time of it.

Hec, Laura, I see you. I've talked enough here about my family tsuris, but will mention that one of the "funny" side-effects of all the genealogy work is recently introduced cousins messaging me to ask, hesitantly, if I know of any mental health issues in particular lines? It's happened often enough now that I calmly kick out a virtual chair and ask how long they've got, for which serenity I thank my therapist, who put up with a lot of "Okay, so much of my childhood finally makes sense, and what the gargling fuck?!?" emails over the last couple of years.


DavidS - Jul 09, 2022 12:18:02 pm PDT #16197 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Brendon had major issues with his mother and was an adult before he had a clue how ill-prepared she was for being a parent. The woman's birth parents were divorced in 1945 and dad got custody because mom was an alcoholic. Then she was adopted at 2 and her dad was a horrible person, and her mom an emotionally abusive alcoholic. Then at 18 she escaped by marrying, and he went to Vietnam and came home an alcoholic. She raised the 4 kids with zero role models and no help at all from her husband. He is much more understanding of her burdens now.

I think my sister is coming to this place, particularly with our dad (they had a very contentious relationship when she was growing up).

I believe part of the reason he was such an extraordinary father to our boys was he never wanted to be so completely incompetent as his parents.

Unless you lucked into Perfect Parents I think everybody who becomes a parent has a little checklist of What Not To Do from their own experience.

They didn't even realize he hadn't graduated HS when they moved to Florida from Nebraska. He took the bus himself and enrolled. Parents!

Jeez! I can't even imagine having to take on that much control at that age.


Sheryl - Jul 09, 2022 1:46:26 pm PDT #16198 of 30000
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

It's been raining here pretty much all day, so we've been trying to keep Mr. S occupied.(Nevermind that he woke us up before 6:30 this morning, he's raring to go.) That has included going outside despite the rain a couple times.


-t - Jul 09, 2022 2:30:29 pm PDT #16199 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Oh no, Tep! I'm so sorry.


Steph L. - Jul 09, 2022 2:39:09 pm PDT #16200 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

I’m consoling myself with a quick stop at McDonald’s for a nasty yet good Filet O Fish (I’m going to let the chips fall where they may re: the gluteny bun). I haven’t had one of these in at least 10 years. Probably won’t have one for another 10, but this one was satisfying.

Back on the road!


Tom Scola - Jul 09, 2022 2:49:03 pm PDT #16201 of 30000
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

Gimmie that Filet O Fish!


Laura - Jul 09, 2022 5:23:03 pm PDT #16202 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Oh, Teppy! That is just awful. I'm sorry your get together ended so badly.

Jeez! I can't even imagine having to take on that much control at that age.

Yeah, he was covering their electric bills and took on all kinds of responsibility in his teens. All 4 of the kids are incredibly responsible. They had to be early on. DH was the eldest so he dealt with the most.

Me, just the opposite. Two great parents and great memories of family love and support. I was a total jerk to them, and felt like crap about it when I was old enough to realize how blessed my life was. Karma dealt me one for that, big time. Hoping it will pass.