I've really got to learn to just do the damage and get out of town. It's the 'stay and gloat' that gets me every time.

Ethan Rayne ,'Potential'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


DavidS - Nov 03, 2021 8:27:15 am PDT #10368 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Just how much of his is about the money for him?

It's primarily about the money because...

but I feel that what he just said to you was very manipulative and bordering on abusive

There's no way he should be calling you back the way he did. That's not professional.

He's being very manipulative and he's freaking out because he needs your money.

Please keep Dana's point in mind:

You are allowed to control your relationships with people, especially people you're paying for a service.

You're not responsible for his health issues. He doesn't sound like he's properly engaged with you as a therapist.


DavidS - Nov 03, 2021 8:35:40 am PDT #10369 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

IIRC, he's a traditional Freudian analyst, and you've been seeing him twice a week for a decade?

I'm sure you've paid him hundreds of thousands of dollars at this point.

People are less inclined to go that kind of route anymore because Freudian analysis isn't really results oriented. It's designed to be an ongoing part of your process.

But I think (a) that makes it a huge cash cow for the analyst, and (b) not really incentivizing getting your patient better.

And I see his freakout being entirely about the financial loss it poses to him, and very little about your well being.

(Which is another way to say, I would hope you would consider a different form of therapy while looking for a new therapist.)


Toddson - Nov 03, 2021 8:36:59 am PDT #10370 of 30000
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Tom, he is being manipulative. And he's supposed to be helping you; you don't need to push aside your mental health needs in order to help him. Do what's best for you. Offer sympathy and be as kind as you can without hurting yourself.


Dana - Nov 03, 2021 8:42:17 am PDT #10371 of 30000
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

There's no way he should be calling you back the way he did. That's not professional.

This.


Steph L. - Nov 03, 2021 8:50:40 am PDT #10372 of 30000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

And what is making this so difficult for me is that I am completely unable to discern what is and isn't abuse.

I understand how that complicates things. I really, really do, and it fucking sucks.

But I'm going to echo Dana and say that, in this scenario, you don't have to determine if your therapist is being abusive or not. If (for the sake of argument) he's not abusive, you still aren't ever obligated to remain his client. You can just stop because it's not working for you any more.


sj - Nov 03, 2021 9:05:32 am PDT #10373 of 30000
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Teppy and Dana are wise. Therapy is about you and your needs not your therapist.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 03, 2021 9:05:50 am PDT #10374 of 30000
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Or just because you would feel more comfortable with another therapist, regardless of results with this one. The "and another thing" call strikes me as crossing a line, and one thing a therapist should definitely be mindful of is maintaining healthy boundaries.


Steph L. - Nov 03, 2021 9:16:22 am PDT #10375 of 30000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

IIRC, he's a traditional Freudian analyst, and you've been seeing him twice a week for a decade?

I wanted to go back to this, too. It really might be time for a different therapeutic modality. Sensorimotor psychotherapy can be very effective for trauma. (It can be a rough process, because I'd still rather repress everything and not acknowledge my shit [hey, I am what I am], but I cannot deny that it's helped me a lot.)

And also, my brother has had a lot of success with ketamine-assisted psychotherapy for his C-PTSD. (So much so that he's getting trained to administer ketamine-assisted psychotherapy, because there are very few providers in Colorado who do that right now.)


meara - Nov 03, 2021 9:24:59 am PDT #10376 of 30000

you don't have to determine if your therapist is being abusive or not. If (for the sake of argument) he's not abusive, you still aren't ever obligated to remain his client. You can just stop because it's not working for you any more

This. Hell, I’d want him to refund me for any session where he fell asleep but whatever. Find a new therapist.


Jessica - Nov 03, 2021 10:00:47 am PDT #10377 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I'm going to echo Dana and say that, in this scenario, you don't have to determine if your therapist is being abusive or not. If (for the sake of argument) he's not abusive, you still aren't ever obligated to remain his client. You can just stop because it's not working for you any more.

Thirding this - the line for "should I continue paying this professional for his services" can be set way, way lower than manipulation/abuse. If he's falling asleep during sessions, he's not providing the service you're paying for, and you, the client, can end that relationship for that reason alone.