Hey! What do you two think you're doing? Fightin' at a time like this. You'll use up all the air!

Jayne ,'Out Of Gas'


Natter 77: I miss my friends. I miss my enemies. I miss the people I talked to every day.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Jessica - Nov 03, 2021 10:00:47 am PDT #10377 of 30000
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I'm going to echo Dana and say that, in this scenario, you don't have to determine if your therapist is being abusive or not. If (for the sake of argument) he's not abusive, you still aren't ever obligated to remain his client. You can just stop because it's not working for you any more.

Thirding this - the line for "should I continue paying this professional for his services" can be set way, way lower than manipulation/abuse. If he's falling asleep during sessions, he's not providing the service you're paying for, and you, the client, can end that relationship for that reason alone.


Topic!Cindy - Nov 03, 2021 11:07:28 am PDT #10378 of 30000
What is even happening?

And what is making this so difficult for me is that I am completely unable to discern what is and isn't abuse.

Tom, I'm so sorry you're going through this. I agree with Jessica, Teppy, and Dana. You don't have to discern whether or not this is abuse. Not all unsatisfactory treatment is abuse. It does not have to amount to abuse for you to decide you deserve better (and you do).

Your reasons for ending this professional relationship are based on evidence that he is not up to the job. If a barber, pharmacist, waiter, or M.D. fell asleep when I was engaging their professional services, I would no longer do so. The same holds true for a therapist, regardless of his personal health concerns. He cannot do the job when he is asleep.

For the sake of argument, let's assume the therapist is telling the absolute truth about the reasons he fell asleep. How are you supposed to keep your mind on the work you are doing in therapy, if you're wondering if the therapist is even conscious? How are you supposed to do your part, if you can't trust him to do his (even if the sleeping can be blamed on an illness)?

I know to a hammer, everything looks like a nail, but when you mentioned he'd gotten bad news about a medical test, I fully expected you to then say he then confessed he had a drink (or took medication) to calm himself down, and that made him drowsy.

I'm the adult child (hammer) of an alcoholic (nail), which is why I thought this story was going to be that kind of story. Even after your account didn't end that way though, AND after I realized why *my* brain was inclined to go there, I still thought it a possibility (between the previous sleeping episode, and the times you realized he didn't seem to be all there). I thought it, because he has excuses at the ready.

BUT, even if I'm wrong, and this isn't a nail, it is some other sort of health problem which, while sympathetic, is rendering him unable to do his job. I would feel bad for the cabbie with narcolepsy, but I'd avoid his cab.


Steph L. - Nov 03, 2021 11:12:33 am PDT #10379 of 30000
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I would feel bad for the cabbie with narcolepsy, but I'd avoid his cab.

Wow. YES. You are eminently wise, Cindy.


-t - Nov 03, 2021 11:15:13 am PDT #10380 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Oh, Tom, how awful! I agree with everyone else - dump him pronto. You can work on how cutting him off affects you with someone else who will stay awake and be present during sessions. I don't see how staying with him will help you (or would help anyone) at all.


DebetEsse - Nov 03, 2021 11:31:59 am PDT #10381 of 30000
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yeah, I'm side-eying the dude real hard.


DavidS - Nov 03, 2021 2:22:30 pm PDT #10382 of 30000
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

Back from the vet.

Marcie shrieked and squeed and made a fuss over every little touch of the stethoscope and got called a drama queen by the vet. She's perfectly fine.

Prubs behaved well, but her lump is a non-malignant mammary tumor. It just needs to be monitored now but we'll probably do surgery to have it removed in the new year.

They are both chombly but not remarkably so.

They were both declared to be "so cute" - which is a true fact.


Trudy Booth - Nov 03, 2021 2:42:39 pm PDT #10383 of 30000
Greece's financial crisis threatens to take down all of Western civilization - a civilization they themselves founded. A rather tragic irony - which is something they also invented. - Jon Stewart

Oh Tom, this is way too much. I'm sorry.


askye - Nov 03, 2021 3:28:30 pm PDT #10384 of 30000
Thrive to spite them

Tom I think the most important thing is that you don't feel comfortable with your therapist and for good reason. He's shown poor judgement before you talked to him- he feel asleep, he was disinterested etc, and then after he showed even worse judgement by not really taking responsibility and then giving you way too much info about his health and then EVEN WORSE judgement by calling you later and saying more.

Those are all very good reasons to fire your therapist and find another one.

And here is another one: you don't feel comfortable with him and if you don't feel comfortable with your therapist and don't trust them then therapy doesn't work.

There are lots of different types of therapy and lots of different therapists and there is nothing wrong with firing your therapist and finding a therapist/therapy type that works for you. (especially when the therapist has shown such poor judgement).


Laura - Nov 03, 2021 3:29:42 pm PDT #10385 of 30000
Our wings are not tired.

Tom, there is a lot of great points that have been made already so I will just nod and agree. This relationship isn't working for you anymore. He doesn't get to argue with your decision and attempt to manipulate you into changing your decision. In my opinion, he is taking advantage of just how well he knows you to get his way. Leave. Shake things up and take another path. This one has served its purpose and it is time to head in another direction. For you. You are the only one that matters here.


-t - Nov 03, 2021 3:38:15 pm PDT #10386 of 30000
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

BTW, the Outlet Sale has been rescheduled, although we are not actually operational again, yet, so I don’t know how they can be so confident we will be. But I’ve signed up for basically the same shifts I had before but two weeks later. Except instead of working the first afternoon I’ll be working the second because that looks like a better fit for presumably doing my actual job some of the time. We shall see.