Question: Will hiding in a cavern with stockpiled chocolate goods be any part of this plan?

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Spike's Bitches 49: As usual, I'm here to help you, and I... are you naked under there?

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Zenkitty - Sep 17, 2018 8:45:44 am PDT #4358 of 8234
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Huh. I never knew that was what they were for. Maybe our whole class got them, then. If "I" sent out graduation announcements, my mom did it!

There's a lot of stuff I just don't remember. I'm always amazed by people who remember details about their school days. Even when it was happening, I didn't care! Such a bad attitude.


EpicTangent - Sep 17, 2018 8:58:26 am PDT #4359 of 8234
Why isn't everyone pelting me with JOY, dammit? - Zenkitty

Now you mention, Todd, I'm pretty sure I still have a box somewhere of cream colored, decently heavy cards with first, middle, and last names. I think we had to buy them to insert in our graduation announcements, but we only bought 20 or 25 announcements, but the cards came in boxes of a hundred or something.

ETA, Todd and everybody else! You guys type way faster than me!


meara - Sep 17, 2018 10:10:21 am PDT #4360 of 8234

I have to say (on a potentially sensitive note) that I really wish I knew what was in people like Judge Kavanaugh's thoughts, when an accuser comes out like this. Like, does he not even remember it? (Like, it happened, but that was the sort of thing he was often up to or drunk or wasn't significant, he might not) Does he remember it differently, as her being willing or him not going that far or everyone laughing or whatever? Does he remember the same but not feel/didn't feel at the time like it was problematic? Or is he perfectly aware and just covering his ass for days? I'm not saying any of those are good or right, or mitigate it. I'm just super curious.


Tom Scola - Sep 17, 2018 10:23:53 am PDT #4361 of 8234
Remember that the frontier of the Rebellion is everywhere. And even the smallest act of insurrection pushes our lines forward.

I suppose getting blackout drunk is one way of dealing with that kind of cognitive dissonance.


Beverly - Sep 17, 2018 10:38:26 am PDT #4362 of 8234
Days shrink and grow cold, sunlight through leaves is my song. Winter is long.

There have been studies done (and if I was a good person I could find a cite) with college student males, and there are two disturbing results.

1. Women/girls are not actual human people the same way men/boys (and sometimes not boys) are. They are ambulatory and decorative, and placed on earth and in one's path precisely to be useful to men, however men see fit. It's psychopathic in a sense, but it's also acculturated. Most males can be enlightened and retrained from this learned behavior.

2. Males don't perceive that rape or molestation is a violation. The standard response when a woman/girl cries rape is, why is she making such a big deal? It's just sex. They literally don't see any difference between consensual sex and rape, or understand why consent is important.

Scientific studies, conducted by university anthropology and psychology departments.

These were four-five years ago, one hopes educational efforts have made a dent, but in the current societal climate, I wouldn't bet on that.

ETA: The sampling of student males was in answer to a questionnaire taken by the students at large, and selected because of their responses. Not every male fell into one of the two categories, let me hasten to add. Just the ones who gave troubling responses.


Steph L. - Sep 17, 2018 10:54:22 am PDT #4363 of 8234
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

Males don't perceive that rape or molestation is a violation. The standard response when a woman/girl cries rape is, why is she making such a big deal? It's just sex. They literally don't see any difference between consensual sex and rape, or understand why consent is important.

That's my guess with Kavanaugh. A sense of entitlement is woven in there, too -- *he* wanted it, so it doesn't matter what she wanted.

Women/girls are not actual human people the same way men/boys (and sometimes not boys) are.

I mean, that's reflected in the reaction to Christine Blasey Ford. Women are not believed, more often than not. (Unless, of course, a man corroborates her story.) And also, our society has no concept of how trauma works (i.e., the people asking "Why didn't she tell anyone, 30 years ago?" "Why is it still a 'big deal', 30 years after the fact?" etc).


Jessica - Sep 17, 2018 11:15:30 am PDT #4364 of 8234
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

Like, does he not even remember it? (Like, it happened, but that was the sort of thing he was often up to or drunk or wasn't significant, he might not) Does he remember it differently, as her being willing or him not going that far or everyone laughing or whatever? Does he remember the same but not feel/didn't feel at the time like it was problematic? Or is he perfectly aware and just covering his ass for days?

The facts as I understand them:

- False rape accusations are vanishingly rare. Therefore, Ford is telling the truth.

- *Before* the rape allegations surfaced, Kavenaugh collected "he did not rape me in high school" statements from 65 other women. Therefore, he remembers the assault well enough to have prepared in advance to defend himself on the topic.

I don't know if he feels any kind of personal moral guilt, or if he just thinks this is one of those things Democrats/women are always making a big deal out of.


Connie Neil - Sep 17, 2018 11:47:43 am PDT #4365 of 8234
brillig

Before he collected witness statements, I would have gone with "I may have done something like that, but I don't remember who I was with." Generic available female at a drunken party. Which is why I only went to parties where I knew everyone (not that that's a guarantee)


Toddson - Sep 17, 2018 11:52:14 am PDT #4366 of 8234
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

There's also the possibility that he did this, or something like it, often enough that he doesn't remember her and this specific occasion (sorry, the cynicism tag doesn't close).


Zenkitty - Sep 17, 2018 11:59:09 am PDT #4367 of 8234
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

It's never just once.