We're not gonna die. We can't die, Bendis. You know why? Because we are so very pretty. We are just too pretty for God to let us die.

Mal ,'Serenity'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Hil R. - Sep 26, 2018 5:56:11 am PDT #29942 of 30002
Sometimes I think I might just move up to Vermont, open a bookstore or a vegan restaurant. Adam Schlesinger, z''l

The year after I was voted homecoming princess, one of my male friends was voted princess. They mostly managed to keep that quiet, and just announced the girl who had the highest number of votes. I didn't know about it until he mentioned it several years ago, after there was an episode of Glee where that happened. A year or two ago, after Buzzfeed for some reason had a listicle about the town where we grew up, telling about how great it was, he posted on Facebook about how that article was total crap, and the town was a homophobic hellhole, and he listed a lot of the things that had happened to him. I messaged him to say that I was sorry for not sticking up for him better back then, and he said that it was fine, he was over it now, but he also commented that I was the second person to send him a message like that, and he wanted to know, "How come the only people who are apologizing are the other people who were bullied?"

One of the guys who was really awful sent me a friend request on Facebook a few years ago. I deleted it. And last year, I got into an argument with another one of them on a mutual friend's Facebook post, and he blocked me after like two comments. (He was saying that we should just ignore the tiki Nazis, since they just want attention. I said that I'd heard that logic before, and it was just as much bullshit now as it was then.)


Dana - Sep 26, 2018 6:20:39 am PDT #29943 of 30002
"I'm useless alone." // "We're all useless alone. It's a good thing you're not alone."

Avenatti has released a statement from his client saying that Kavanaugh and Judge and others (tw for assault, though I can't imagine anyone being able to escape this news) spiked the punch at parties and then gang-raped girls, including her.


-t - Sep 26, 2018 6:29:16 am PDT #29944 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

How awful, Hil.

I am feeling weirdly sheltered for my public low-income high crime high school experience. The crimes were things like robbery and drugs, not rape, at least.


Toddson - Sep 26, 2018 6:31:26 am PDT #29945 of 30002
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

In re The Manifest (I also thought that maybe the comment about Melania related to the show): it's an interesting premise. People are having to reconstruct their lives when, for them, they were only gone for a few hours. And a couple of the main characters seem to have acquired psychic abilities. It has potential ... I'll see how they manage to screw it up.


-t - Sep 26, 2018 6:42:20 am PDT #29946 of 30002
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

Sounds like it could go in Boxed Set?


Toddson - Sep 26, 2018 6:47:25 am PDT #29947 of 30002
Friends don't let friends read "Atlas Shrugged"

Anyway, I thought this might be kind of an antidote to high school horror stories (assuming it's for real).


Fred Pete - Sep 26, 2018 6:49:05 am PDT #29948 of 30002
Ann, that's a ferret.

he wanted to know, "How come the only people who are apologizing are the other people who were bullied?"

Because they're the ones who understand. And maybe the only ones that even remember.

I don't remember most of the kids that I went to 7th and 8th grade with. (My family moved during the summer after 8th grade, and I went to a different school for 9th grade and on.) Other than the kids I'd known since kindergarten, most of the ones I remember were the bullies.


Maria - Sep 26, 2018 7:17:31 am PDT #29949 of 30002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Hil--and anyone else who felt the brunt of "boys will be boys"--I'm sorry that you went through that.

We are really shitty as a species sometimes, and I keep hoping that the good will overcome the bad, but lately I'm thinking not. It's a depressing though to have.


Laura - Sep 26, 2018 7:41:45 am PDT #29950 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

I keep hoping that the good will overcome the bad, but lately I'm thinking not.

I do retain optimism. Mostly because of my immediate circle. I have a disproportionate number of men in my life, in part because of the male dominated industry I started a business in 30 years ago, in part because I have 2 sons, in part because my husband is a boys basketball coach. The overwhelming majority of these men are equally appalled by the 'boys will be boys' attitude and demonstrate what I consider to be normal and proper behavior with regard to women. I've had conversations with them and they don't consider sexual assault any more normal than I do.

So not to go #notallmen or anything, but I still believe, maybe I have to, that it is a serious minority of men. Particularly with the younger generation. I could be delusional, but I don't think so.


Gudanov - Sep 26, 2018 7:45:04 am PDT #29951 of 30002
Coding and Sleeping

So sorry, Hil, that sounds absolutely awful.