Poor Buffy. Your life resists all things average.

Willow ,'First Date'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Aug 03, 2018 5:56:18 pm PDT #28020 of 30002
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I don't know about therapy. I feel like I'd have to do it in secret which is hard on my schedule and money really is tight right now

Again, there are places that do sliding-scale payments. And check your insurance -- the copay might be lower than you think. (Mine is $25. I was really surprised at that. And thrilled, because it means that weekly therapy doesn't break the bank.)

I've been diagnosed with Asperger's twice independently, so I know I'm defective

You're not defective. Being on the spectrum doesn't make anyone defective. Ever. It doesn't make you unable to love someone. It doesn't make you unworthy of love.

I hate my wife coming across as a bad person because of my problems.

She doesn't come across as a bad person because of you; she comes across as a bad person because she is abusing you.


DavidS - Aug 03, 2018 6:22:22 pm PDT #28021 of 30002
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

My wife is a good person,

She is very definitely NOT a good person. She is in fact a shitty human being who is cruel, verbally abusive (on a daily basis) and (to be honest) lazy and narcissistic.

but I think I've just let her down too many times.

Nope. She flipped out because you were in the hospital instead of DOING HER BIDDING. Because she's a total asshole.

Her business is in the red because (a) she's not doing any of the work (you are); and (b) nobody in their right mind would go to her for counseling.

She's actively abusive. You are the person she is abusing. You know this is true.


askye - Aug 03, 2018 6:23:54 pm PDT #28022 of 30002
Thrive to spite them

I've been diagnosed with Asperger's twice independently, so I know I'm defective and I hate my wife coming across as a bad person because of my problems. She really isn't. I'm just not good enough.

You are not defective. You are not a defective person FULL STOP.

Having Asperger's doesn't make you defective any more than it makes me defective. It doesn't make you unloveable or incapable of love or unworthy of love. You love your kids. Your kids love you. We love you.

You, Gud, are worthy of love and you are a good person. A good person whose brain works differently. A good person in an abusive relationship. You will still be a good person when you say your wife is being abusive. You will still be a good person when you leave. You are a good non defective person.

You are worthy. You, Gudanov, you are worthy of love and understanding and kindness and being able to go home from the hospital and continue to recuperate from a severe infection.


P.M. Marc - Aug 03, 2018 6:40:20 pm PDT #28023 of 30002
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Good isn't a thing you are. Good is a thing you do. (Like Ms Marvel says.) Good is a thing she is not doing.

The relationship you and your wife have is now toxic. It doesn't matter that once upon a time it wasn't: it is now. And it's killing you. It's probably not doing her any favors, either.

You need to talk to a professional, both of you. For your health and that of your children, no matter what.


JZ - Aug 03, 2018 6:50:40 pm PDT #28024 of 30002
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Gud, what everyone else said. You are not a bad person. Your wife is not a good person. And dcp is especially wise: this voice in your head telling you you are shitty is a symptom of an infection, just as what landed you in the hospital were symptoms of a different kind of infection. Both need professional treatment to clear the infections and get you healthy, and you DESERVE that level of care.


Atropa - Aug 03, 2018 10:01:34 pm PDT #28025 of 30002
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

The relationship you and your wife have is now toxic. It doesn't matter that once upon a time it wasn't: it is now. And it's killing you. It's probably not doing her any favors, either.

I want to surround this with blinking lights.

Gud, you aren't defective. And even if you were, so the fuck what? "Defective" people deserve to be loved and treated with kindness. "Defective" people deserve to have their partner treat them with kindness and respect.

You aren't defective. I will repeat this as often as you need to hear it.


Theodosia - Aug 04, 2018 2:09:09 am PDT #28026 of 30002
'we all walk this earth feeling we are frauds. The trick is to be grateful and hope the caper doesn't end any time soon"

Gud, I don't think your wife is a bad person, I think she's not coping correctly with her anxiety and sense of self -- and she's decided that it's =you= who are the trouble and who needs to be corrected, rather than looking to herself and fixing her own behavior/dealing with her anxieties.

And with the low self-esteem you've developed, you're actually NOT helping her, by trying to placate her and make up for her unhappiness when it's actually on her to accept that her husband is sick and needs rest.

You really really need to say NO to going out and doing shopping when you're just out of the hospital, if only because I doubt you're physically up to driving with the sleep deprivation and all. (Antibiotics themselves can do a number on you.)

(Question: does she drive? Is she house-bound unless there's someone to drive her?)

I hate to pile-on here, because I want this to be a supportive place for you, because I think you really really need to hear that you are valued and worthy, and to have fun with your friends. You are a great person and deserve to believe that.


Jesse - Aug 04, 2018 3:25:11 am PDT #28027 of 30002
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

In addition to everyone's smart and kind words, I'll just add that your wife should be encouraging you to go to therapy, because it's so sad that you feel like this, and you should get people to help you feel better, regardless of the root cause. (I mean, isn't that what your wife wants to be doing for work??)


sj - Aug 04, 2018 5:48:27 am PDT #28028 of 30002
"There are few hours in life more agreeable than the hour dedicated to the ceremony known as afternoon tea."

Very much what Jesse said.


Pix - Aug 04, 2018 7:24:27 am PDT #28029 of 30002
We're all getting played with, babe. -Weird Barbie

[link] Their phone number is 1−800−799−7233.

Please call this hotline when you can and let them know you would like to talk to someone about emotional/physical abuse because a large group of your friends is very concerned you may be suffering it. You don't need to actually go to therapy. Crisis hotlines (with the option to chat, though I would recommend voice) are wonderful.