You know, I just... I woke up, and I looked in the mirror, and I thought, hey, what's with all the sin? I need to change. I'm... I'm dirty. I'm, I'm bad with the... sex and the envy and that, that loud music us kids listen to nowadays.

Buffy ,'Lessons'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Glamcookie - Nov 11, 2016 4:43:46 am PST #1817 of 30002
I know my own heart and understand my fellow man. But I am made unlike anyone I have ever met. I dare to say I am like no one in the whole world. - Anne Lister

I don't want to be the left equivalent of a right-wing conspiracy theorist, but I also don't want to close my eyes to truth and accept deceipt and corruption in the aim of "going high." I've seen a few whisperings of a Russian computer hack of specific state returns and there's this: [link]

What we know:
1) There was voter suppression: [link]
2) Russians hacked the DNC: [link]
3) Russians were in contact with the Trump campaign throughout the election process: [link]
4) How were the reliable polls so off-base? (See 538, Princeton Election Consortium)

I know that our GOP "friends" have opened investigations with far less evidence. So do we bury our heads in the sand in the aim of bringing the country together (a noble goal, typical of the Democrat way), or do we push for this and get the truth? And feel free to tell me if I'm being a tin-foil hat wearing nutjob because I kind of feel like one, but I'm also looking at truths.


Rick - Nov 11, 2016 4:44:37 am PST #1818 of 30002

There was a New Yorker profile of Leonard Cohen a few weeks ago that was thoughtful and eulogistic in a way that anticipated this sad event.

It seems to be open access at the moment: [link]


SuziQ - Nov 11, 2016 4:45:43 am PST #1819 of 30002
Back tattoos of the mother is that you are absolutely right - Ame

I'm up, showered, dressed, waiting for my friend to pick me up in a few. We are going out to breakfast and then off to Lasik. Any calming~ma from 10am - 1am Mountain would be appreciated.


Fiona - Nov 11, 2016 4:54:19 am PST #1820 of 30002

Glamcookie, considering that Angela Merkel recently warned about malicious Russian influence (particularly hacking) on forthcoming European elections, I'd say that's an avenue well worth exploring.


Kate P. - Nov 11, 2016 5:26:23 am PST #1821 of 30002
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Glam, I have the same conspiracy theory.


Maria - Nov 11, 2016 5:27:48 am PST #1822 of 30002
Not so nice is that I'm about to ruin a Friday morning for a bunch of people because of a series of unfortunate events and an upset foreign government. - shrift

Calm~ma, Suzi.

I'm having a hard time concentrating. I can do OK at work, I focus on putting one foot in front of the other; I focus on the fact that I am there to serve others. That gets me through. Please believe that I love you and care about you. But I can't seem to concentrate on reading and remembering....I'm sorry.

Andi is me. I had to go to MA for work, and it took all I had to make sure I didn't screw it up, so I had to temporarily shrink my presence. I've virtually disappeared from FB right now; I can't take the double standards and hate. I apologize if I missed anything that I shouldn't have.

I'm so tired, and I'm just a white, cis-het woman. I cannot imagine how those that are LGBTQ, PoC, non-binary--god, the list could go on and on--are feeling right now. You all have a safe space with me, both physically and mentally.


smonster - Nov 11, 2016 5:59:41 am PST #1823 of 30002
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

Glam, I am right there with you.

Way to go, msbelle.

I can hear one of my neighbors, a black man, ranting on the phone about all this mess. Dude, I hear you and I am so sorry.


Sheryl - Nov 11, 2016 6:02:41 am PST #1824 of 30002
Fandom means never having to say "But where would I wear that?"

Timelies all!

{{{Hugs}}} for all who want/need them. I wish I could offer more.


Matt the Bruins fan - Nov 11, 2016 6:22:18 am PST #1825 of 30002
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Holy shit, y'all! I just found out that a friend of mine in NYC dated Trump decades ago. She is terrified by the prospect of him being President—unsurprisingly, he had a monstrous ego and was a complete asshole way back then.


Jessica - Nov 11, 2016 6:24:13 am PST #1826 of 30002
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I know that our GOP "friends" have opened investigations with far less evidence. So do we bury our heads in the sand in the aim of bringing the country together (a noble goal, typical of the Democrat way), or do we push for this and get the truth? And feel free to tell me if I'm being a tin-foil hat wearing nutjob because I kind of feel like one, but I'm also looking at truths.

I want an investigation.

As disastrous and terrifying as President Trump may be, I think the Electors handing the presidency to Clinton would start an actual civil war.

I agree. And if the situation were reversed (electoral college to Clinton, popular vote to Trump), I wouldn't want them handing the presidency to Trump.