You two carried me through that war. Now I need you to carry me just a little bit further. If you can.

Tracy ,'The Message'


Natter 75: More Than a Million Natters Served  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Sophia Brooks - Jun 20, 2017 2:40:19 am PDT #12837 of 30002
Cats to become a rabbit should gather immediately now here

I agree with Debet. Your birthday is such a special day for you, you need it on a different day!


Dana - Jun 20, 2017 2:56:47 am PDT #12838 of 30002
I haven't trusted science since I saw the film "Flubber."

OH MY GOD VIENNA it is like 100 degrees and I am not exaggerating TURN ON THE AIR CONDITIONING.


Tom Scola - Jun 20, 2017 3:00:31 am PDT #12839 of 30002
hwæt

I CAN'T EVEN with the anti-vaxxers. I'm sorry, Lisa.


lisah - Jun 20, 2017 3:50:10 am PDT #12840 of 30002
Punishingly Intricate

No need to apologize, Tom! I can't with them either. The one person is an actual friend and, while I suspected she was somewhat vaccine dubious, I had no idea she was that bad. I'm shocked and just glad I have super smart friends who can talk sense. The other person I don't really know, she's married to an old friend of my husband's. I thought I had unfriended her a while ago!


lisah - Jun 20, 2017 3:53:28 am PDT #12841 of 30002
Punishingly Intricate

In other news, so sorry about your uncle, Steph. One of my dear uncles had been in three ICU since last week. He collapsed after developing an infection after having a stent placed. He's doing relatively well but it is pretty serious. He's having another surgery today on the infection site so good thoughts his way are appreciated.


Laura - Jun 20, 2017 3:54:49 am PDT #12842 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

Teppy Day Observed can be on the first non-funeral day following the actual day. You're like George Washington.

I agree with the Teppy Day observation, however I have issues with the George Washington thing. I share a birthday with George and it was always a nice day off holiday until nasty politicians messed things up and combined it with Abe on a random day. I still take the day off in protest.

I CAN'T EVEN with the anti-vaxxers. I'm sorry, Lisa.

Indeed!


Laura - Jun 20, 2017 3:57:25 am PDT #12843 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

Recovery~ma for your uncle in massive doses. I didn't jump in to the vax discussion because I get head explody, and it seemed handled by my peers. Otherwise I would have gotten my outrage on.


smonster - Jun 20, 2017 4:37:28 am PDT #12844 of 30002
We won’t stop until everyone is gay.

The greatness of the Teppy is indeed such that, should her day be clouded or besmirched by such travails as grief or family caretaking, it must needs overflow onto one or more other days in order for the celebration as suits one so fantabulous. And we shall all rejoice, for the greatness of the Teppy is also a joy in our lives and any and every chance to celebrate her a happy one.

Re: anti-vaxxers - Oh, there was raging in backchannel. I feel like I need to apologize for tagging Nanita and meara - their knowledge would have been wasted worse than the proverbial pearls before swine.


Steph L. - Jun 20, 2017 4:56:04 am PDT #12845 of 30002
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

This sounds like an occasion for an "observed" modifier. Teppy Day Observed can be on the first non-funeral day following the actual day.

That would work if every possible free day weren't already booked with something. This weekend is Pride. And what kind of dick refuses to go to Pride with their genderqueer spouse?

What we've been talking about in therapy a lot is getting rid of the old messages (thanks parents, you shitbags) that what I want isn't important. Except right now, every outside force is agreeing with that. I don't actually want to drive 45 minutes one way in the rain on my birthday to go to my uncle's funeral. I don't actually want to go to a hot, loud, crowded, sensory hell of a Pride parade this weekend. But who ditches their uncle's funeral? My dad will be pissed. And/or hurt. And going to the Pride parade is important to Tim. Getting what I want, even if it's my birthday, seems irrelevant.


Laura - Jun 20, 2017 5:15:40 am PDT #12846 of 30002
Our wings are not tired.

There is a balance of getting what we want and being a shitbag to people we care about. Because sometimes we want to do what is best for our loved ones. eta: You are not being a shitbag for being honest about being conflicted! I've certainly done things I didn't want to with a side of resentment because it was the right thing to do.

Anti-vax is crazy making. Reminder to self to make appt with vet for the first day I get to Otter Lake because vets here don't carry the Lyme vaccine and I don't want Zoe to go a day without it in the Adirondacks.

My former co-worker was one of the smartest and most capable people I ever worked with. Flat out brilliant, and she would go into a screaming rage at the thought of vaccinating her grandkids. Her daughter did it behind her back and we had to witness her meltdown. Super smart, and yet bought into every single conspiracy theory out there. Vaccines, chemtrails, 9-11, Kennedy, seriously, all of them. Don't understand why otherwise intelligent people fall into this weirdness.