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Natter 74: Ready or Not  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, butt kicking, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Steph L. - Jun 02, 2016 6:04:37 pm PDT #22429 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

But my mom is the other end--she's exercising and gone vegan and dieting

My mom, to her great dismay, will be 70 in 3 weeks. She just finished a 9-month intensive training to become certified as a yoga instructor (she had to pass a written exam and then a practicum where she taught one of her teacher's classes). She pretty much laughs in the face of the concept of aging. She retired for about 2 seconds, got bored, took a part-time job coordinating women's retreats at a spiritual center, and the job crept outward into as full-time job.

What I'm saying is, I hope when I hit 70 I'm like my mom. (Shit, I could use some of that energy at 45. She's like a hummingbird on crystal meth.)


Gudanov - Jun 02, 2016 6:15:44 pm PDT #22430 of 30003
Coding and Sleeping

I'm pretty lucky in that I don't think I have any Trump-supporting family or even FB friends. I might have some who will vote for Trump, but not with joy in their heart.

I do have some FB friends who are very anti-Obama, but I refrain from comments when they post Obama is obviously the worst president ever stuff. I don't think the Obama era has been all ponies and roses, but at worse he'll be considered a mediocre president. My in-laws think Obama is a horrible president (they are right-wing) and so does my wife (she is left-wing), so I just stay quiet when they are complaining about him for completely opposite reasons. Pretty much the same thing for Hillary.

Trump... well, I kinda get why people might support him. They feel like they've been left behind by globalization, automation, and cultural changes and want someone who will change things. With his ever-changing policy positions, he sort of represents what people want him to represent: he'll bring back manufacturing jobs, he'll get rid of terrorists, he'll stop environmentalists from blocking economic growth, he'll keep illegal immigrants from depressing wages. It doesn't matter than he doesn't have any coherent plan for any of this, he'll be able to do it because he isn't restrained by political correctness and convention. On the other hand, c'mon the guy is a obviously a egotistical lunatic who doesn't have a clue about governance and foreign policy and doesn't seem to have a drop of intellectual curiosity.

I know the demographics don't work for him in the general, but I have a bad feeling about this election. I don't think he can pick up support from most demographic groups, but he can make the election so ugly that people will tune out and not show up in November.


shrift - Jun 02, 2016 6:30:45 pm PDT #22431 of 30003
"You can't put a price on the joy of not giving a shit." -Zenkitty

You can try and persuade, but adults get to make their own choices. It is one of the few damn pluses of being an adult!

Yep. I can try to persuade my Dad to eat a goddamn vegetable once in a while, but in the end I can't force him to do anything.


beth b - Jun 02, 2016 6:38:19 pm PDT #22432 of 30003
oh joy! Oh Rapture ! I have a brain!

the fitbit thing is sketchy -- but the vaction thing is way out of line . He hates the car ride and is uncomfortable. he can't deal with stairs . no way no how is that a vacation


DavidS - Jun 02, 2016 7:06:00 pm PDT #22433 of 30003
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."

In an attempt to not completely alienate my Trumpster friends

You're way more open minded then me. I don't think I could consider anybody supporting Trump to be a friend. He's not just the presumptive Republican candidate (which I could handle) - he's a genuinely dangerous man.


Pix - Jun 02, 2016 8:23:59 pm PDT #22434 of 30003
The status is NOT quo.

We are leaving for France in two weeks, a trip we've saved for for two years and I've dreamed of since I was in 7th grade.

Current events in France:

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...ok, then.

But it's ALL GOING TO BE GOOD. Because vacation! France! And 2016 owes us.


Scrappy - Jun 02, 2016 9:19:05 pm PDT #22435 of 30003
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

Tippy- I can understand them bullying him IF he always has a fantastic time on vacation and will be very sad to miss it. it's still disrespectful behavior, but in that case the motivation makes sense. If that's the case and if they want to bully him--then they certainly have to drive him. I can see why you are angry, though! I would be.


Steph L. - Jun 03, 2016 3:23:45 am PDT #22436 of 30003
this mess was yours / now your mess is mine

I can understand them bullying him IF he always has a fantastic time on vacation and will be very sad to miss it.

He enjoys being with the family regardless of the setting -- but he also is intolerable on the car ride to the beach and back; he's fussy and out of sorts the whole week because things are different from his house; he can't walk up and down stairs any more (and this house has 3 flights of stairs); and he complains the whole time about everything. The last time we all went to Topsail, he didn't even come down from the house to the actual beach part one time the whole week (largely, I think, because he can't walk up and down stairs any more).

So I'm not sure "fantastic time" is the right phrase. It's more like "basically happy to be around family but grudgingly tolerates everything else and complains until he gets what he wants."


Zenkitty - Jun 03, 2016 5:51:56 am PDT #22437 of 30003
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

So I'm not sure "fantastic time" is the right phrase. It's more like "basically happy to be around family but grudgingly tolerates everything else and complains until he gets what he wants."

Most of my family members are like that...including a couple of the younger ones. Sometimes they want to be with the rest of us anyway, and sometimes they don't. If he's saying he doesn't want to go, I think they should listen to him.

Man, my family is a delightful bunch. No wonder I'm an introvert; it's self-defense.


Dana - Jun 03, 2016 6:03:34 am PDT #22438 of 30003
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

And frankly, even if I would enjoy the situation once I was there, being forced into it would just make me sullen and determined not to enjoy myself.