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People are being WRONG ON THE INTERNET about things again.
Like,
siding-with-Tony-on-Wanda levels of wrong.
Plus!
I keep being amazed at how differently people are taking what the answer was to the conversation regarding "Did you know?" A lot of people are taking it to mean Steve admitting he knew it was Bucky, where I and a lot of other people took it to mean, "Yes, I knew my friend, your father, had been assassinated." with a subtext of "and I didn't want to look at it too closely, which is why I didn't tell you." Those who are taking it to mean the former are really kind of bitchy about it and accusing people of reading it as the latter of being liars. NEED TO STOP READING MEME, SELF. NEED TO STOP READING MEME.
Damn, this fandom is wanky.
I want fic, but not enough to go wade through AO3.
I want fic, but not enough to write it. Plus, for good or for ill, I now am in the boat of Opinions on Favorite Characters Now So Strong Most Fic Won't Work. (Seriously, I am especially in this boat with Natasha. I mean, it was bad before, but now it is worse. Nat fic by writers I have previously enjoyed writing Nat isn't working for me. BAH!)
[link] this comment is so charming to me.
Okay, I gotta go back and see the movie again, just to see
Bucky throw Steve. It must have happened so quickly I missed it with all the other visual input happening.
That whole comment thread is a thing of beauty.
Yeah, I have to see it again to catch all the stuff I missed the first time!
Only seen it twice, but...
do we see anyone's personal living space other than Bucky's (forced out of) and Wanda's (locked into)?
I'm making a list of things to note the next viewing.
now I want to contrast the way that Steve enters Wanda's room with the way Vision does. This is also on the next-viewing list.
So Hydra
had Howard killed for whatever was in the trunk. I'm surprised no one questioned by Maria was strangled, but perhaps there was more mangling involved. Still, injuries not consistent with car wreck. But I'm sure everyone's first thought was "Crap, Stark must have been drunk, quick, cover it all up."
But imagine Obadiah's reaction.
As I read in a fic somewhere "Maybe he thought Christmas came early." He had to have been wondering who orchestrated it and why--and if he had to watch his own back.
Unless
he and Hydra had an understanding.
Upon rewatch,
Steve's "I knew" definitely sounded to me as if he was admitting that he figured out Bucky was the one HYDRA had kill the Starks, even if he had no proof.
I'm with Matt, Steve
had to suspect, because Zola was definitely hinting hard about connections.
So were the other
Winter Soldiers activated? Or were they being held in reserve?
I also thought Steve knew (or strongly suspected) that
Bucky killed Howard and Maria.
