Book: I believe I just... I think I'm on the wrong ship. Inara: Maybe. Or maybe you're exactly where you ought to be.

'Serenity'


Marvel Universe: Infinite Chrises

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Connie Neil - May 09, 2016 6:43:35 pm PDT #986 of 4004
brillig

I'm with Matt, Steve had to suspect, because Zola was definitely hinting hard about connections.

So were the other Winter Soldiers activated? Or were they being held in reserve?


Steph L. - May 09, 2016 7:05:22 pm PDT #987 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe

I also thought Steve knew (or strongly suspected) that Bucky killed Howard and Maria.


P.M. Marc - May 09, 2016 7:15:39 pm PDT #988 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Matt, after two watches, I'm still going with didn't want to know for sure, even if he knew on some level, and intentionally didn't poke it with a stick.


P.M. Marc - May 09, 2016 7:23:16 pm PDT #989 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Also, that he's admitting that to himself as much as to Tony.


P.M. Marc - May 09, 2016 7:56:14 pm PDT #990 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Threepeat

It seems to tie into what he said in the letter, y'know? Also, man. I am so impressed with how they set things up, no matter what the specific intent was there. The reminder after things have gone south but before they have hit the point of no turning back, penguins at the gate south, that Howard was Steve's friend as well as Tony's dad. So much stuff in every line.


Zenkitty - May 09, 2016 7:56:38 pm PDT #991 of 4004
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

I thought Steve was admitting that he'd known Bucky did it.

The other Winter Soldiers were killed by Zola in their cryo-sleep. Pretty sure I saw bullet holes in them.


Connie Neil - May 09, 2016 8:29:15 pm PDT #992 of 4004
brillig

Yeah Zola killed them, but I wondered if they'd been out in the world like Bucky.


Zenkitty - May 10, 2016 6:13:36 am PDT #993 of 4004
Every now and then, I think I might actually be a little odd.

Ooh, good question. I thought they hadn't but I don't know what I based that on. I felt kinda sad for them that they'd gone to sleep with such high hopes for being murder machines and then never got to wake up to their destinies, but really I just felt like it was a waste of scary characters.


Connie Neil - May 10, 2016 7:07:15 am PDT #994 of 4004
brillig

When Zemo said "They died in their sleep" I thought "Oh, cryo failure, poor things." Then they showed the wounds.

It is kind of weird to feel sorry for them. But maybe they weren't as stable as Bucky--for a given definition of stable. They did go nuts, and that one guy made Bucky get him out of there. Perhaps that fic favorite of trying to reproduce what happened to Bucky and it failing .

edited because of too many villain Z names.


chrismg - May 10, 2016 7:36:37 am PDT #995 of 4004
"...and then Legolas and the Hulk destroy the entire Greek army." - Penny Arcade

Do we think they should have hit the parallel stronger, between Bucky being triggered by the code phrases and Tony being triggered by the video of his parents being murdered?