I'm going to see to Wesley, see if he's still whimpering.

Giles ,'Chosen'


Marvel Universe: Infinite Chrises

Discussion of all Marvel Cinematic Universe related movies and TV shows, including, but not limited to, the Avengers, Captain America, Agent Carter, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Daredevil, Spider-Man, Ant-Man, etc., etc., etc. ad-infinitum.

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Consuela - May 08, 2016 4:08:20 pm PDT #916 of 4004
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I gotta say, as a bureaucrat, the way the Accords were done in this movie was bungled badly. The writer had to have them be bungled in order to make Steve & Tony's argument work. Because in reality, the Avengers would have been brought in at the very beginning to work with the negotiating teams to figure out jurisdiction and protocols. There would have been long hours of argument about who got to do what and under what circumstances.

So, that's the thing: yes, Steve was right about not wanting to be treated as a weapon. Except in a world not written by Hollywood, there's no way the whole thing would have been structured like that. Because the lesson that was learned from TWS was transparency, and Steve would be on board with that. Except this... wasn't? Somehow? Why not? Because they needed a point of disagreement between Steve & Tony.

I dislike the writers only making the movie work by making someone -- in this case, the entire UN -- stupid.


DebetEsse - May 08, 2016 4:10:52 pm PDT #917 of 4004
Woe to the fucking wicked.

Yes, Rebecca, I'd like an option on the DVD for the non-shaky-cam version of that.


P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:15:10 pm PDT #918 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Like, his level of rage at Steve for not telling him about Howard (this was a mistake on Steve's part: and no, he didn't know for sure it was Bucky, but you damn well better bet he suspected it and that this played into his choice to stay mum) is directly informed by his illusions about Steve Rogers.


Tom Scola - May 08, 2016 4:16:27 pm PDT #919 of 4004
Mr. Scola’s wardrobe by Botany 500

That's what I was trying to get at when I was so confused about Secretary Ross being the one who pitched the Sokovia Accords. Is that mean to imply that the Sokovia Accords is just a huge hypocrisy, because Ross is guilty of that very thing, or are they trying to show that Ross has redeemed himself in a way that Stark wishes he could? Or is it just that they had contractual obligations with William Hurt, so why not just stick him in the film?


P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:17:38 pm PDT #920 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Suela, I can almost wank it as Tony having been involved early as the representative and just not telling the rest of them.


Scrappy - May 08, 2016 4:23:19 pm PDT #921 of 4004
Life moves pretty fast. You don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it.

I remember fandom feeling like the Avengers got away easy after the whole Wakovia thing and I'm glad that was fully addressed in this film.


msbelle - May 08, 2016 4:26:45 pm PDT #922 of 4004
I remember the crazy days. 500 posts an hour. Nubmer! Natgbsb

I thought what Plei just posted.

also, SO MANY WOOBIES. There needs to be lots of blankets and soup administered. poor broken/damaged woobies. If they bring Fitz into an Avengers film I MAY DIE.


Dana - May 08, 2016 4:28:50 pm PDT #923 of 4004
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

And now I have checked Tumblr, and I think I'm going to be mentally defending the hell out of Tony for a while. Without actually getting into anything on Tumblr, because that would be not good for my sanity.


P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:31:08 pm PDT #924 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

The thing is, that is totally something Tony would do with the best of intent and without input. Even after Ultron. Because Wanda was not wrong about him there.


P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:32:54 pm PDT #925 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear

Dana, a lot of people are doing that not just mentally and I am having to stay off Tumblr so as not to engage from the other side.