And now I have checked Tumblr, and I think I'm going to be mentally defending the hell out of Tony for a while. Without actually getting into anything on Tumblr, because that would be not good for my sanity.
You know, my big sister could really beat the crap out of her. I mean, really really.
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Dana - May 08, 2016 4:28:50 pm PDT #923 of 4004
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:31:08 pm PDT #924 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
The thing is, that is totally something Tony would do with the best of intent and without input. Even after Ultron. Because Wanda was not wrong about him there.
P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:32:54 pm PDT #925 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Dana, a lot of people are doing that not just mentally and I am having to stay off Tumblr so as not to engage from the other side.
Steph L. - May 08, 2016 4:33:51 pm PDT #926 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
oh and the camera work almost made me motion sick.
I said this on FB somewhere, but -- I thought that was just me! Our theater had an enormous screen (the biggest I've seen short of an IMAX -- and this wasn't IMAX), and to really take it all in, we should have been in the back 4 rows (we weren't). So the camera work -- especially in the first scene -- was impossible for me to follow, and made me nauseated and a little bit headachey.
I agree with everyone who says this feels more like Avengers 3 (or the movie Avengers 2 *should* have been) than a Cap movie. (Or even Iron Man 4.)
I can't even express how much I want acknowledgment/flashbacks of Bucky and Natasha.
Finally, I'm amused at how many fics begin with Tony and Pepper on a break. This movie had that! It was right there waiting for fanfic, damn it!
Dana - May 08, 2016 4:34:52 pm PDT #927 of 4004
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
Yeah. I'll stick with mentally. I appreciated how everyone had their own point of view, and no one was "right" or "wrong", and maybe there are no right answers, and of course Steve is going to mistrust institutions, and of course Tony is going to try and assuage his guilt, and of course he's rudderless without Pepper. Poor babies.
Steph L. - May 08, 2016 4:38:25 pm PDT #928 of 4004
Unusually and exceedingly peculiar and altogether quite impossible to describe
Dana, a lot of people are doing that not just mentally
I have super complicated feelings about Tony. He's not totally wrong -- it would be a stupid lazy caricature of a movie if he were -- and in the places where he fucked up, well, you can see how his enormous damage is driving it. I'm not Team Tony, but I am Team Hug Tony And Get Him 8 Hours A Day Of Therapy And A Puppy Now.
P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:39:25 pm PDT #929 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
Even when I otherwise adore them, the Tony Stark Defense Squad makes me grind my teeth, especially in the context of something that's labelled a Cap movie.
And there weren't any good answers to be had, there really weren't.
P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:40:29 pm PDT #930 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I should specify with whitefont one that it's on Tumblr and meme where the teeth gritting happens.
Dana - May 08, 2016 4:46:35 pm PDT #931 of 4004
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.
I just read a post (by Minnow, for those of you who know who she is) that mentioned how Tony always outsourced his restraint. He had people to say "Tony, no", and with this, he was trying to outsource it to the Accords.
P.M. Marc - May 08, 2016 4:48:07 pm PDT #932 of 4004
So come, my friends, be not afraid/We are so lightly here/It is in love that we are made; In love we disappear
I had conversations along that line before the movie!
I am basically only discussing it here. MCU fandom is so fraught right now