Whatever happened to the still beating heart of a virgin? No one has any standards anymore.

Giles ,'Lies My Parents Told Me'


Natter 72: We Were Unprepared for This  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Burrell - Jul 29, 2013 8:16:48 am PDT #646 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

It is sad that your parents are denying themselves the joy of achieving what every parents wants. We want our children to be happy. It's really pretty simple if we remember that it is what makes them happy, not us.

That is the challenge of parenting, I suspect. I always think of those CS&N lines, "So feed them on your dreams/The ones they pick/The ones you know by."


meara - Jul 29, 2013 8:28:07 am PDT #647 of 30000

I kinda view it as my mom have a very long pout that she is not having the life she expected. No wedding of her children when they were young, no bio grand-children - a gay child, a grandchild that is a lot of work. wah wah wah.

Dude. I can understand that--heck, my OWN life, which I have more power over, has not been quite as I might've liked. But in her case...fine, pout. Pout to yourself, or your husband, but not TO/AROUND your kids!!

if they will not meet him where he is, that he has made enough of a family for himself that he can just keep visits with them to a minimum and contact to civility.

That's sad, but awesome that he has made a family for himself.


JZ - Jul 29, 2013 8:32:01 am PDT #648 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

Was it Matt who linked a couple of days ago to the story about the trans teens who fell in love in a support group at their school? IIRC, one of the dads is pretty stolid and conservative and faced a lot of horror and scolding from his fellow parents, but he talked about finally working out that this was his child's happiness, health and life, and not up for anyone else's approval or censure, and that he'd finally asked himself which he'd rather have: an unexpected living daughter or the son he'd always had, only dead by suicide. And after that it was easy.

ICompletelyON, eeep. We just had an unidentified-suitcase scare right by our office door. Which turned out, thank all TPTB, to have been left in the hall by a forgetful college student who'd just shown up for his first day of a summer volunteer gig at one of the labs down the hall. He got a gentle talking-to by the campus police, who explained (as, apparently, they have to do several times a day throughout student volunteer season) that, yes, even his cheerful plaid rolly-bag counts as a suspicious package. We're a university, but the research building is not a dorm. We do animal research. We do stem cell research. One of our now-retired faculty is missing a hand thanks to the Unabomber. Please, please exercise a grain of common sense and don't leave your unlabeled bags lying around in the hallway.

Kids these days!


Consuela - Jul 29, 2013 8:35:46 am PDT #649 of 30000
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Yikes, JZ! Scary.

Dana, aside from the weather, that sounds awesome.

Me, I'm operating at about 60%. No longer constantly nauseated, but there's still some vertigo when I stand or look up or turn quickly. But man, my back was killing me after basically 24 hours in bed! (Which I suspect means I need a new mattress, memory foam topper notwithstanding.)


Burrell - Jul 29, 2013 8:39:26 am PDT #650 of 30000
Why did Darth Vader cross the road? To get to the Dark Side!

Glad you're feeling better, Consuela. Hope you are at 100% soon.


JZ - Jul 29, 2013 8:40:42 am PDT #651 of 30000
See? I gave everybody here an opportunity to tell me what a bad person I am and nobody did, because I fuckin' rule.

60% sounds a lot better than yesterday, but still kind of awful, Suela. Vibing (but very gently, non-disruptively) lots of inner-ear~ma to you.


Kate P. - Jul 29, 2013 8:46:39 am PDT #652 of 30000
That's the pain / That cuts a straight line down through the heart / We call it love

Suela, I'm glad you're feeling better and you have some idea of what's going on and how to fix it. Hoping you make a full recovery soon!

That is the challenge of parenting, I suspect. I always think of those CS&N lines, "So feed them on your dreams/The ones they pick/The ones you know by."

That reminds me of the Sweet Honey in the Rock song that goes through my head periodically: "Your children / are not your children / they are the sons and the daughters of life / longing for itself / they come through you / but they are not from you / and though they are with you / they belong not to you."


Jesse - Jul 29, 2013 8:46:49 am PDT #653 of 30000
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

That is highly encouraging, Suela! I learned I'm a head-nodder when I went back to work with the vertigo, and could barely make it through a meeting. Sitting at my desk alone was OK, though!

Thinking about lives and expectations and families is making me surprisingly emotional right now. It's like, I feel fine with my own day-to-day, but I feel bad that I don't have a kid for my dad to play with.

MOVING ON.


Amy - Jul 29, 2013 8:52:16 am PDT #654 of 30000
Because books.

It's always hard to feel like you're not living up to expectations, but like the lyrics Kate quoted say, it's not really our job as parents to expect anything from our kids. We have them, and we're supposed to raise them to be capable, self-reliant adults who can make their own choices, whatever they are.

I feel like I get both sides of this, though, and that it's always easier said than done, especially when it comes to my oldest. And no matter what, I still feel like I let down my parents.

LIFE. Is hard.

Also, ::primal scream of OMGWTF my job I hate you::


Steph L. - Jul 29, 2013 8:59:44 am PDT #655 of 30000
the hardest to learn / was the least complicated

It's like, I feel fine with my own day-to-day, but I feel bad that I don't have a kid for my dad to play with.

Oh yeah. Yes, indeed.