Can't any one of your damn little Scooby club at least try to remember that I hate you all?

Spike ,'Get It Done'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


§ ita § - Jul 03, 2013 10:22:27 am PDT #28080 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Femme, historically, was sexuality thing

But right now, do you have to be a lesbian to be femme?

I have been poking at the links in this article about the Penny Arcade writers [link] being offensive again and again and I'm really boggled by the (as-described) level of doubling down that went on. And, damn, I knew nothing of this shit.


meara - Jul 03, 2013 10:24:45 am PDT #28081 of 30001

Avoiding the femme thing which I have thoughts on but am boarding a plane soon...

I want low glycemic oatmeal cookies, Consuela! Recipe?

I could see the hairdo with beads/trinkets if they were small, didn't clink a lot, and she was not a white girl with bad dreads. Because that's mostly who I've seen that trinket look on. Women who shouldn't have that hair in the first place and can't seem to take care of it, and think patchouli substitutes for showers and deodorant.

I love the name Jumbleberry Grunt. It sounds like a Harry Potter character.

I plan to start using "Lazy Sonker" as an insult immediately.

I love both of those ideas and after reading that article last night seriously wanted some crisp.


meara - Jul 03, 2013 10:28:44 am PDT #28082 of 30001

I think it's just the word "identify" that's throwing me off. It's not a gender thing, or a sexuality thing, so the word feels really strong to me. Uh, you like lace and frills and may be male or female and aren't straight? That's the size of it?

Short answer, yes. Check out info at the femme conference. It includes friends who are cis gay men who do drag, and trans guys who identify as sissy, and are gay. (Both of those being friends of mine)

That said, generally straight cis girls don't feel a need to identify as "femme"--it's the default. The heterosexist patriarchal default, but still. It's a tradition in the lesbian community but also in part saying "I don't have to be your stereotype of a lesbian, I can be what I want".

...I'd have better thoughts when not on my ipad at a boarding gate.


§ ita § - Jul 03, 2013 10:36:43 am PDT #28083 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When I think of straight girls identifying as femme, I think of Jilli, though, not anything default. It's definitely *way* closer to the factory setting we're expected to have, but still--lace and foof does raise an eyebrow, and I'd wager more women at this company (not IT) wear only pants than wear only skirts.

Okay, leaving office now.

Wait! if this [link] is a low-glycemic oatmeal recipe, my normal one is kinda close--I can bump the whole wheat flour content, and I'm not sure about adding tofu, but maybe nut butter.


Jesse - Jul 03, 2013 10:37:27 am PDT #28084 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I can imagine the trinket hairstyle in many of the places I've worked, but I've only worked for nonprofits, and in many cases I can't picture it in the administration side of things.

That said, generally straight cis girls don't feel a need to identify as "femme"--it's the default. The heterosexist patriarchal default, but still. It's a tradition in the lesbian community but also in part saying "I don't have to be your stereotype of a lesbian, I can be what I want".

There's definitely straight feminist reclaiming of femininity, but maybe not the actual term femme.


Jesse - Jul 03, 2013 10:38:18 am PDT #28085 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

ION about me, I thought it was a nice day to walk home, but I was WRONG. So sweaty now.


Laura - Jul 03, 2013 10:40:24 am PDT #28086 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Health ~ma doe Aunt Karen and Becca.


Steph L. - Jul 03, 2013 10:40:35 am PDT #28087 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

One of my friends describes herself as "high femme," and she's cis* but identifies as pansexual. (She is, however, not even remotely in Jilli's ballpark of commitment to an aesthetic and the execution of that aesthetic. She basically wears long hippie skirts and birkenstocks and has looooong curly hair and gets gel manicures. I would not call that "high femme.")


Jesse - Jul 03, 2013 10:43:06 am PDT #28088 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I am higher femme than that! Depending on what you mean by high. Maybe she means like high on pot??


Steph L. - Jul 03, 2013 10:45:52 am PDT #28089 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I am higher femme than that! Depending on what you mean by high. Maybe she means like high on pot??

I think that *she* thinks she's femme as hell. Which is...you know, you can call yourself whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.