Wash: Little River just gets more colorful by the moment. What'll she do next? Zoe: Either blow us all up or rub soup in our hair. It's a toss-up. Wash: I hope she does the soup thing. It's always a hoot, and we don't all die from it.

'Objects In Space'


Natter 71: Someone is wrong on the Internet  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


meara - Jul 03, 2013 10:28:44 am PDT #28082 of 30001

I think it's just the word "identify" that's throwing me off. It's not a gender thing, or a sexuality thing, so the word feels really strong to me. Uh, you like lace and frills and may be male or female and aren't straight? That's the size of it?

Short answer, yes. Check out info at the femme conference. It includes friends who are cis gay men who do drag, and trans guys who identify as sissy, and are gay. (Both of those being friends of mine)

That said, generally straight cis girls don't feel a need to identify as "femme"--it's the default. The heterosexist patriarchal default, but still. It's a tradition in the lesbian community but also in part saying "I don't have to be your stereotype of a lesbian, I can be what I want".

...I'd have better thoughts when not on my ipad at a boarding gate.


§ ita § - Jul 03, 2013 10:36:43 am PDT #28083 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

When I think of straight girls identifying as femme, I think of Jilli, though, not anything default. It's definitely *way* closer to the factory setting we're expected to have, but still--lace and foof does raise an eyebrow, and I'd wager more women at this company (not IT) wear only pants than wear only skirts.

Okay, leaving office now.

Wait! if this [link] is a low-glycemic oatmeal recipe, my normal one is kinda close--I can bump the whole wheat flour content, and I'm not sure about adding tofu, but maybe nut butter.


Jesse - Jul 03, 2013 10:37:27 am PDT #28084 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I can imagine the trinket hairstyle in many of the places I've worked, but I've only worked for nonprofits, and in many cases I can't picture it in the administration side of things.

That said, generally straight cis girls don't feel a need to identify as "femme"--it's the default. The heterosexist patriarchal default, but still. It's a tradition in the lesbian community but also in part saying "I don't have to be your stereotype of a lesbian, I can be what I want".

There's definitely straight feminist reclaiming of femininity, but maybe not the actual term femme.


Jesse - Jul 03, 2013 10:38:18 am PDT #28085 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

ION about me, I thought it was a nice day to walk home, but I was WRONG. So sweaty now.


Laura - Jul 03, 2013 10:40:24 am PDT #28086 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Health ~ma doe Aunt Karen and Becca.


Steph L. - Jul 03, 2013 10:40:35 am PDT #28087 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

One of my friends describes herself as "high femme," and she's cis* but identifies as pansexual. (She is, however, not even remotely in Jilli's ballpark of commitment to an aesthetic and the execution of that aesthetic. She basically wears long hippie skirts and birkenstocks and has looooong curly hair and gets gel manicures. I would not call that "high femme.")


Jesse - Jul 03, 2013 10:43:06 am PDT #28088 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

I am higher femme than that! Depending on what you mean by high. Maybe she means like high on pot??


Steph L. - Jul 03, 2013 10:45:52 am PDT #28089 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

I am higher femme than that! Depending on what you mean by high. Maybe she means like high on pot??

I think that *she* thinks she's femme as hell. Which is...you know, you can call yourself whatever you want, but that doesn't make it true.


Steph L. - Jul 03, 2013 10:47:36 am PDT #28090 of 30001
I look more rad than Lutheranism

And, in entirely UN-femme-ness, I need this t-shirt: [link] Too bad my income is about to evaporate.


Atropa - Jul 03, 2013 10:59:44 am PDT #28091 of 30001
The artist formerly associated with cupcakes.

Steph, is it mean that I laughed at your friend's version of "high femme"? I know I have a high bar for this, but really.