Does anybody else miss the Mayor? 'I just want to be a big snake.'

Xander ,'End of Days'


Natter 70: Hookers and Blow  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


-t - Jun 08, 2012 9:02:11 am PDT #8922 of 30001
I am a woman of various inclinations and only some of the time are they to burn everything down in frustration

I am on Team Yay Fancy Pants Grill, whatever it actually means (though I am hoping it means parties on Lee's patio, because that is the patio's destiny).


§ ita § - Jun 08, 2012 9:03:24 am PDT #8923 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

Do some people only accept homosexuality when it looks just like heterosexuality?

If you mean "looks just like heterosexuality" means bumping and grinding with their boyfriend on the dance floor, or walking along the pier hand in hand, or...the fuck? What do couples do? That stuff. Coupley stuff. The things that gays are too perverted and sick to care about.

I don't think that it's a done deal that society accepts Billy has two Daddies, one of whom comes to PTA meetings and the other one who makes cookies for the bake sale. And when they both chaperone the prom, they steal some time for a slow dance.

Or that Sandra can go to a club and flirt with women and have long hair and wear makeup.

He sounds like that battle's done, now you have to get people to accept the more fetish-appearing gay people. Thing is? Most of those homophobes probably don't accept that in straight people either. In fact, I think there's an argument to be made that they don't think straight people do (or should do) fetishy things, or dress in fetishy clothes.

I'd think that most people who want gay people to not "show their gay" probably also don't want people to "show their D/s" or many other 'alternative' lifestyles.


Matt the Bruins fan - Jun 08, 2012 9:03:45 am PDT #8924 of 30001
"I remember when they eventually introduced that drug kingpin who murdered people and smuggled drugs inside snakes and I was like 'Finally. A normal person.'” —RahvinDragand

Do you think that's true? That homophobes find it easy to accept gay people that look and act "normal" (and by normal I mean they engage in the same amount of PDA with their partner as is considered appropriate for straight couples), or is it the daddy bear in rainbow leather chaps that they need to wrap their heads around (first--obviously the goal is for people to accept all the flavours).

I don't think homophobes find it easy to accept gay people of any sort, and in fact try very hard to prevent us from mainstreaming (marrying, adopting, having our existence acknowledged in media) because their screeching and scapegoating doesn't get nearly as much traction when the people they're pointing out as threats to society look like middle-aged suburbanites taking their kids to the park rather than cowled executioners in a dungeon.


sumi - Jun 08, 2012 9:13:14 am PDT #8925 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

I am sad about I'll Have Another AND Car Talk.

But it's kind of nice that they're going to have I'll Have Another (and Lavaman) lead the post parade.

Dullahan is the new favorite with Union Rags as second favorite.


Jesse - Jun 08, 2012 9:16:56 am PDT #8926 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.

They will still be making new episodes of Car Talk, it sounds like, with old tape and some new bits.


sumi - Jun 08, 2012 9:17:55 am PDT #8927 of 30001
Art Crawl!!!

Jilli - when you get your sled/hearse you will then need to get a nice pair of Friesians to pull it.


Consuela - Jun 08, 2012 9:19:19 am PDT #8928 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

I don't think that it's a done deal that society accepts Billy has two Daddies, one of whom comes to PTA meetings and the other one who makes cookies for the bake sale. And when they both chaperone the prom, they steal some time for a slow dance.

Oh, I totally agree with that. But I think that PTA-meeting Daddies will get acceptance more quickly than bump-and-grind Daddies. I guess.

Most of those homophobes probably don't accept that in straight people either.

Exactly.

Although Matt has an excellent point, that the very non-threatening image conveyed by PTA-Daddies has thrown the hard-core homophobes into a tizzy, because they know as well as we do that being unthreatening is a first step to acceptance (for some folks).


Dana - Jun 08, 2012 9:23:35 am PDT #8929 of 30001
I'm terrifically busy with my ennui.

Adventures from working at home: A commercial on Animal Planet for "Colon Flow". For humans, not animals.


Consuela - Jun 08, 2012 9:24:35 am PDT #8930 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

Oh, ew, Dana.


tommyrot - Jun 08, 2012 9:26:25 am PDT #8931 of 30001
Sir, it's not an offence to let your cat eat your bacon. Okay? And we don't arrest cats, I'm very sorry.

Sorta like Colon Blow on SNL?