You're talking to Serenity. And, Early... Serenity is very unhappy.

River ,'Objects In Space'


Natter 69: Practically names itself.  

Off-topic discussion. Wanna talk about corsets, duct tape, or physics? This is the place. Detailed discussion of any current-season TV must be whitefonted.


Ginger - Oct 26, 2011 9:00:58 am PDT #3224 of 30001
"It didn't taste good. It tasted soooo horrible. It tasted like....a vodka martini." - Matilda

I have never resented paying the school portion of my property tax. I believe everyone benefits from an educated citizenry. I wish they were being better educated, but that's a different question.

I have whined a little when they announce federal tax breaks that seem specifically designed to not give a tax break to single, childless, self-employed people.


javachik - Oct 26, 2011 9:07:31 am PDT #3225 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Nope, but I can't see the decision being made to crack down so hard without her okay.

Oh yeah, I was actually piling on with my comment - I am pissed that our stupid mayor isn't onsite to deal with her city. I love Oakland so, so much, but I detest the people in charge.

I hope that your Hubs is well soon, Fred.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2011 9:09:09 am PDT #3226 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

The problem with saying kids are a lifestyle choice is that it's an incredibly privileged perspective - not everyone who wants kids is able to have them, and not everyone who has kids chose to do so.


§ ita § - Oct 26, 2011 9:14:17 am PDT #3227 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.

True, Jessica. But it's the "in a perfect world" sort of privilege, isn't it? I think it's trivialising to refer to kids that way, but I just don't see where she said or implied they weren't people too.


Allyson - Oct 26, 2011 9:14:24 am PDT #3228 of 30001
Wait, is this real-world child support, where the money goes to buy food for the kids, or MRA fantasyland child support where the women just buy Ferraris and cocaine? -Jessica

It's probably just a poorly thought-out rant, flea.

I sometimes have that irritated feeling after spending more money on another baby gift or wedding shower that I need to throw a "not getting married or having children shower" and have everyone bring me presents just for being me.

And that's kind of dumb and reactionary. I'm also sometimes envious or those around me with families and just get a little assholey about it in my head and then feel guilty. I might be projecting my issues onto your friend.


javachik - Oct 26, 2011 9:17:17 am PDT #3229 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

Allyson, we have a lot in common in that regard.

Hey, has anyone else read the cover story of this month's Atlantic? So, so good. And made me feel a lot less conspicuous about being never married at 42.


Jessica - Oct 26, 2011 9:19:45 am PDT #3230 of 30001
And then Ortus came and said "It's Ortin' time" and they all Orted off into the sunset

I sometimes have that irritated feeling after spending more money on another baby gift or wedding shower that I need to throw a "not getting married or having children shower" and have everyone bring me presents just for being me.

FWIW, I am totally in favor of single childfree people throwing parties for themselves and getting presents.


Consuela - Oct 26, 2011 9:22:18 am PDT #3231 of 30001
We are Buffistas. This isn't our first apocalypse. -- Pix

FWIW, I am totally in favor of single childfree people throwing parties for themselves and getting presents

I'm totally throwing myself a housewarming party after I (a) sell my house and (b) buy a new one. Everyone is welcome to bring me gifts.


Kathy A - Oct 26, 2011 9:22:54 am PDT #3232 of 30001
We're very stretchy. - Connie Neil

Squeezes in next to javachik and Allyson in the "where's my shower?" corner.

I do know that after I finish my degree, and get settled wherever I end up working in the library field, if I'm still not married, I'm going to put in a request with my parents for the money they've always promised me for my wedding. If I'm not married by age 50, I'll be going cheap with any future ceremony so I'm sure any spouse and I can pay for our own. However, I'd love to take my parents' money and use it for a downpayment on my own place. I think my sister did that when she bought her place when she was only 40.


javachik - Oct 26, 2011 9:22:54 am PDT #3233 of 30001
Our wings are not tired.

FWIW, I am totally in favor of single childfree people throwing parties for themselves and getting presents.

It's so funny. I sort of had that idea about having a housewarming (for about 10 seconds) and then I was like "I just bought a fucking house. Some of my friends have trouble putting meals on their table. I don't need anyone to give me presents just because I bought a bigass present for myself!!"

I did love getting cards and good wishes from people, but the best part was just having a place for all of my friends to come together and hang out. And drink a lot. And listen to Matt and his friend play music. That was a pretty damned good gift.