But not objectified just as a woman? Because doesn't porn with women in it generally do that?
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Jesse - Apr 23, 2011 4:43:12 pm PDT #4932 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
§ ita § - Apr 23, 2011 4:52:50 pm PDT #4933 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
I don't mind if someone wants to have sex with me because I'm female. I do mind if they want to because I'm black.
Jesse - Apr 23, 2011 4:54:01 pm PDT #4934 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
That's fair. I think that's different than objectification.
§ ita § - Apr 23, 2011 4:55:56 pm PDT #4935 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
If someone wants to have sex with me because I'm black, I feel objectified. That doesn't make sense? What word would you use?
Jesse - Apr 23, 2011 4:58:29 pm PDT #4936 of 30001
Sometimes I trip on how happy we could be.
Fetishization, I guess.
sarameg - Apr 23, 2011 4:59:42 pm PDT #4937 of 30001
§ ita § - Apr 23, 2011 5:07:43 pm PDT #4938 of 30001
Well not canonically, no, but this is transformative fiction.
From quick googling, I don't see any indication that objectification isn't what I'm feeling. It matches the definition, including that of sexual objectification in wikipedia. Which has a subsection of fetishisation, but that doesn't make my usage wrong.
erikaj - Apr 23, 2011 5:23:47 pm PDT #4939 of 30001
Always Anti-fascist!
I have run into quite a few guys with like, "naughty attendant"-style fantasies. More so, lately. (Is there a new wheelchair porn? On second thought, never tell me.) Am torn. On the one hand, it's not all bad seeing a liability turned into a draw...on the other, there's stuff at play that might be revolting if I looked at it closely.(I haven't done it because I'm not the kind to make it with a stranger...if someone I already liked wanted to, maybe I would. I'm also concerned that an AB person with a fantasy like that would be unprepared for the appearance of a real impaired body as opposed to Porn Chick in Wheelchair.
sarameg - Apr 23, 2011 5:38:01 pm PDT #4940 of 30001
Loki is still hanging out on the deck, and I'm hoping paint dries enough before the lightening I see brings rain.
DavidS - Apr 23, 2011 5:38:29 pm PDT #4941 of 30001
"Look, son, if it's good enough for Shirley Bassey, it's good enough for you."
Okay, then, sorry I lumped people specifically skeeved by the cuckolding element in with ita's more general objection.
And, yeah, as long as porn makes me feel objectified, I'm going to feel uncomfortable. I think that's perfectly reasonable behaviour.
Fair enough.
So I'm not sure why you strung them together like it's one position being held by anyone here.
There was a recurring tone of "ewwww" which just pings me. Though as Matt noted, people can and will draw the line wherever they want.